Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 Illinois? No, sorry bro, they're not at the level of OSU, Michigan, Cal, Oregon or USC. They're executing very well which as I said is a big part of the package but they lost to Mizzou a team in the big12... Illinois, a team full of ...
10-08-2007, 04:21 PM
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| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 Illinois, a team full of freshmen and sophomore starters, lost by 6 to a good Big 12 team on the first game of the year... while giving up 5 turnovers... I wouldn't discount them because of that... 
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10-08-2007, 04:41 PM
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| Originally Posted by thomez Yeah and it was the first game ofthe year for mizzou too...
Look at it this way... Mizzou beat Illinois...Mizzou>Illinois Texas lost to KState then OU... Michigan lost to App State and Oregon (bad loss to Oregon)...Texas > Michigan At this point you could argue OSU>OU (because of our loss) We've also got some teams that were supposed to suck that dont, like CU, Kansas and hell even Texas Tech looks decent. | ||||
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10-08-2007, 04:50 PM
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| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 the point is that it is a much bigger deal when you are one of the youngest teams in the country, as Illinois most certainly is
as far as the middle of the conference... I don't think there is any way one could argue that Colorado, Kansas, or Texas Tech can equal the middle of the Big 10 ... Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin .... I mean ... come on now ... all 3 have been ranked and none have lost to an unranked team | ||||
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10-08-2007, 05:01 PM
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| Originally Posted by thomez 1) I disagree Michigan has the talent to beat texas, would the execute?
2) Mizzou vIllinois rematch and you think Illinois would dominate because they beat an over rated Wisconsin team and a solid Penn State? I think Mizzou would win again. 3) We'll see what happens, but Kansas is playing impressive and otu of the middle of nowhere.. 4) As for OSU running rings around everyone in the Big12 get real, OU would give them a run for their money and our D line would make your O line completely inneffective. You'd have a shot at passing the ball though, but then you've gotta stop our offense (not an easy task). OU is 11th in total offense OSU is 47th OU is 11th in total defense OSU is 2nd edit: I meant to say Michigan doesn't have the talent to beat texas, I think that'd be a toss up if both teams came to play, hell beginning of the year, Texas called by many to get an NC bid. Last edited by 6SpeedTA95; 10-08-2007 at 05:09 PM. | ||||
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10-08-2007, 05:18 PM
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| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 Both of those teams have an offense that could legitimately have them compete with just about anybody. That is the only reason that I'd be concerned about them. Both of their problems are a lack of defense and OU will run the ball all day against them. That keeps their offense off the field, not to mention OU has a really good defense for when they do happen to get the ball. I can see OU holding both of those teams to 17-24 points as long as they score at least 30. I also see Mizzou and Tech turning the ball over against OU too.
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10-08-2007, 05:45 PM
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| Stop hating on the Big East, it is built to be a basketball conference, not football and its a damn good basketball conference
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10-08-2007, 05:53 PM
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| Originally Posted by David Octavius And we're talking about football, nice try.
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10-08-2007, 10:23 PM
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| Here's my top 25 1. LSU 2. California 3. Ohio State 4. Oregon 5. Florida 6. South Florida 7. Boston College 8. South Carolina 9. Oklahoma 10. Missouri 11. Illinois 12. West Virginia 13. Virginia Tech 14. USC 15. Arizona State 16. Cincinnati 17. Kentucky 18. Texas 19. Wisconsin 20. Kansas 21. Florida State 22. Auburn 23. Georgia 24. Texas aTm 25. Kansas State | ||||
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10-09-2007, 05:58 AM
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| I really don't think that Oregon is a better team than Florida, in fact I would bet cash on that game if it happened. I think we all know inside ourselves that Oklahoma, Boston College, and at least South Carolina are better football teams than South Florida, who hasn't played anyone. I think we also know that USC is better than #14, they simply lay an egg every year to some shitty team because Pete Carroll is a recruiter, not a coach. They still field the most talent of any team in the nation and if history tells us anything, won't lose another game the rest of the season. The rest of the list seems rather fair, though I would insist that if we were ranking teams based on "who should win if they faced each other tomorrow" type scenarios ... then Michigan has to make the list, despite the 2 pathetic performances early in the season. | ||||
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10-09-2007, 08:57 AM
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| Originally Posted by thomez You're making some valid points, while I dont weight losses like a lot of people I think when you do lose to an unranked team it should hurt you substantially which is why I've got OU at the 9 spot. If I had my way after last weeks loss to CU I would have put them somewhere in the upper teens.
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10-09-2007, 12:17 PM
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| I would say that with the competitive level that college football is seeing today, I would not penalize a loss as much as I used to. Especially if that loss was a close one. With that in mind I would not credit a win as much as I used to unless it was a blow out win and it would also depend on who they were playing. 1. LSU 2. California 3. Ohio State 4. Oregon 5. Florida 6. South Florida 7. Boston College 8. South Carolina 9. Oklahoma 10. Missouri 11. Illinois 12. West Virginia 13. Virginia Tech 14. USC 15. Arizona State 16. Cincinnati 17. Kentucky 18. Texas 19. Wisconsin 20. Kansas 21. Florida State 22. Auburn 23. Georgia 24. Texas aTm 25. Kansas State | ||||
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10-09-2007, 02:21 PM
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| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95
 Had to try, the northeast is not a college football powerhouse at all | ||||
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10-09-2007, 03:17 PM
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| Originally Posted by David Octavius I understand
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10-09-2007, 03:25 PM
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| When coming from the northeast, good high school football starts at Pennsylvania and Ohio. | ||||
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