Hezbollah says its war with Israel was a mistake - Page 3

motivez · 08-29-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

According to those articles they really haven't done anything. They are still in the planning stages.

And I guess I'll take your word for it that everyone that lost their home has been given money already. One story sort of says something about money. But again, how hard is it to give a few thousand people a check?

Don't get me wrong. It's great they have enough money to hand out checks to a few thousand people. But people here who want to compare this to Katrina, where just in greater N.O.'s alone there are 1.3 million people, just doesn't make sense.

It's not checks, its cash. They've been handed it already and they started handing it out the day the campaign stopped.

And, there's quite a lot of people who were displaced / had their homes ruined.. when you consider the scope of Hezbollah as an organization compared to that of our government, it's suprising that they've been as effective as they have been.

Again, they had lists of people, that were updated, with names, addresses, etc.. whos place were damaged or destroyed, and that's how they knew who to hand the stuff out to.

When you compare it to the clusterfuck of bureaucracy that the rebuilding of Katrina has been... it's a pretty stark contrast.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-30-2006, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

and you really believe he didn't thikn israel would retaliate with military action? how naive of both of you...

I'm sure he thought that it was possible they'd stage a small raid to get back the soldiers, or perhaps targeted strikes against hezbollah centers, but who thought they'd level the entire infrastructure of Lebanon??? Everyone including Hezbollah was suprised when they started bombing bridges and the airport.

infinite loop · 08-30-2006, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

For those C&C players... I give you... The propanda tower!

propaganda tower out of nowhere!!

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I'm sure he thought that it was possible they'd stage a small raid to get back the soldiers, or perhaps targeted strikes against hezbollah centers, but who thought they'd level the entire infrastructure of Lebanon??? Everyone including Hezbollah was suprised when they started bombing bridges and the airport.

small raid, check.

targeted strikes against hezbollah centers, check.

level entire infrastructure of lebanon, not found.

when it's a well-known fact that weapons from all over the area are being shipped to hezbollah, what is israel expected to do? let them rearm?

slosucks · 08-30-2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

small raid, check.

targeted strikes against hezbollah centers, check.

level entire infrastructure of lebanon, not found.

when it's a well-known fact that weapons from all over the area are being shipped to hezbollah, what is israel expected to do? let them rearm?

its not israels job to enforce the resolution!!!!!!!!!1111 if hezbollah is rearming the UN needs to take care of it!!! israel is violating the UN resolution!!!111

thomez · 08-30-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

level entire infrastructure of lebanon, not found.

looked pretty brutal to me, roads, bridges, and the airport all hit... probably billions in damage to infastructure

WickedLou9 · 08-31-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

looked pretty brutal to me, roads, bridges, and the airport all hit... probably billions in damage to infastructure

yeah they really did set them back 20 years.

It's sad because Beirut was just getting back on it's feet and becoming a "real" city. now it's back to rubble again.

thomez · 08-31-2006, 02:22 PM

27% of Lebanon's GDP was from tourism last year, primarily Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" - figure from FP mag on my desk

with that definitely declining now until they rebuild, their economy will be in shambles, and that's when people get both angry and desperate... then turn to terror... nasty chain of events it is

ballz2wallz · 08-31-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

27% of Lebanon's GDP was from tourism last year, primarily Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" - figure from FP mag on my desk

with that definitely declining now until they rebuild, their economy will be in shambles, and that's when people get both angry and desperate... then turn to terror... nasty chain of events it is

i thought hezbollah was going to rebuild it all?

motivez · 08-31-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

i thought hezbollah was going to rebuild it all?

Rebuilding buildings doesn't bring people back if they believe they're going to be in danger of dying from the Israeli's firing indiscriminately at civilian targets with cluster bombs.

motivez · 08-31-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

looked pretty brutal to me, roads, bridges, and the airport all hit... probably billions in damage to infastructure

Yup. It wasn't Hezbollah the organization that suffered (or will suffer) as a result of this, it was the ordinary Lebanese people.

ballz2wallz · 08-31-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Rebuilding buildings doesn't bring people back if they believe they're going to be in danger of dying from the Israeli's firing indiscriminately at civilian targets with cluster bombs.

israel doesn't attack if their soldiers aren't kidnapped or attacked, do they?

thomez · 08-31-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

i thought hezbollah was going to rebuild it all?

and who does that make the people increasingly support?

oh ya, Hezbollah - the organization that Israel wanted to weaken and eliminate

that worked great!!!1

ballz2wallz · 08-31-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

and who does that make the people increasingly support?

oh ya, Hezbollah - the organization that Israel wanted to weaken and eliminate

that worked great!!!1

yeah it's unfortunate they didn't get to finish teh job

thomez · 08-31-2006, 02:35 PM

any chance that we can stop the worthless comments so that grown ups can have an actual discussion above the 8 year old level?

motivez · 08-31-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

israel doesn't attack if their soldiers aren't kidnapped or attacked, do they?

Yes. They often carry out operations in Gaza, the West Bank, and other places completely unprovoked.. and then feign ignorance or claim defensive measures when in retaliation, someone blows themself up in Israeli territory and they once again go in and fuck up the lives of ordinary citizens.

slosucks · 08-31-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Rebuilding buildings doesn't bring people back if they believe they're going to be in danger of dying from the Israeli's firing indiscriminately at civilian targets with cluster bombs.

when hezbollah uses civilian infrastructure, it no longer becomes a civilian target

ballz2wallz · 08-31-2006, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

any chance that we can stop the worthless comments so that grown ups can have an actual discussion above the 8 year old level?

i know you're not talkin to me

motivez · 08-31-2006, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by slosucks

when hezbollah uses civilian infrastructure, it no longer becomes a civilian target

When civilians aren't able to leave because the Israeli military has destroyed roads, bridges, gasoline reserves, the airport, convoys leaving the area filled with civilians, busses leaving the area filled with civilians, and then says "Welp, shoulda gotten out!" like there was actually some way for them to do it, it most certainly is.

Israel's use of cluster bombs makes them guilty of war crimes, the same as Hezbollah. Cluster bombs aren't designed to take out a specific asset, they're designed to cause as much destruction as possible in a specific area.

DosEquis · 08-31-2006, 04:14 PM

Even Pat Buchanan said Israel went way to far when they bombed civilian infrastructure such as the airport