I have lost all respect for arnold

[Grouch]

He just signed into CA law the single worst, most irrational gun law America has ever know. Due to the mandating of an impossible technology, as of January 10th 2010 there will be a de facto ban on the sale of new handguns is California.

Office of the Governor :: Press Release

http://gov.ca.gov/pdf/press/2007bill...%20Message.pdf

AB 1471 Provisions: Assembly Bill 1471, named the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007, requires that all new models of semiautomatic handguns sold in California after January 1, 2010 be equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model and serial number of the pistol. The characters must be etched or imprinted onto the pistol’s internal working parts or interior surfaces and would be imprinted on each cartridge case when the handgun is fired. This new technology is called “microstamping”

[7960]

I completely disagree with it, but it's far from impossible.

[RMNIXON]

He has had a busy day:


Schwarzenegger signs pro-homosexual bills

Grant Swank

Grant Swank
October 13, 2007


"'Arnold Schwarzenegger demonstrates the negative consequences of electing a liberal Republican to office,' Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families (CCF), said. 'Schwarzenegger fooled many California conservatives into voting for him. Yet now he's flip-flopped and stabbed them in the back,' per CCF Media at http://www.savecalifornia.com/getpluggedin/news_details.php?newsid=89

Now the governor has positioned homosexuality as the high life in California, particularly in schools, thus crippling churches in their witness.

"Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed into law two bills requiring all public school instruction and activities to positively portray transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality to children as young as kindergarten.

"He has also signed bills undermining marriage and infringing upon the moral conscience of business owners, churches, and nonprofit organizations."

The governor opposed these themes when running for office. Now he has taken an about-face. Once again, can moralists ever trust a liberal Republican? Not.

Now get the details and wonder what is happening to America:

"Under SB 777, which will go into effect on January 1, 2008, the following could be eliminated from California public schools because they are deemed to have a "discriminatory bias":

• Textbooks and other instruction that portray marriage as only between a man and a woman
  
  
• Textbooks and other instruction that say people are born male or female (and not in between)
  
  
• Textbooks and other instruction that leave out transsexual, bisexual, and homosexual historical figures
  
  
• Sex education and school assemblies that omit the option of hormone injections or sex changes
  
  
• Homecoming king and queen contests that allow only boys to run for king and only girls to run for queen
  
  
• Boys' and girls' bathrooms that separate biological boys from biological girls. The second sexual indoctrination bill that Schwarzenegger signed, AB 394, will promote transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality to students, parents, and teachers through school training programs against 'harassment"' and 'discrimination.'"

Moralists can read between the bold lines on that second bill. It means that those who express the biblical position on homosexuality will be in big trouble.

Witness what has already happened in Canada. Those who speak regarding the God statements concerning sexuality are in many dangers. The Canadian pro-homosexual culture will see that they are silenced quickly and in a variety of horrific means.

Note that in Canada on religious telecasts and broadcasts, the God statements concerning this matter are wanting. They have slipped off the witness verbiage.

For more, read specifics on the CCF site.


Joseph Grant Swank, Jr., is a pastor at New Hope Church in Windham, Maine, and is the author of five books and thousands of articles that have appeared in various Protestant and Catholic publications. He currently writes a column for RenewAmerica.us, MichNews.com, Magic-City-News.com, AmericanDaily.com, NewsByUs.com, The Conservative Crusader.com, PostChronicle.com, TheConservativeVoice.com, Republican and Proud.com, FaithFreedom.org, Conservative Posts.us, ArriveNet.com, MosqueWatch.blogspot.com, EzineArticles.com, Chalcedon Report, and others.

He has been married for 46 years and has three adult children. He has BA and MDiv degrees, with graduate work at Harvard Divinity School.


Schwarzenegger signs pro-homosexual bills

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by 7960

I completely disagree with it, but it's far from impossible.

impossible to make it 100% reliable. Latest test prove about 50% of shells are fully legible.

Let alone the whole idea of a firing pin lasting forever, or the engraving making it past a few years of range time.

[7960]

Not being "anti-homosexual" is *FAR* from being "pro-homosexual."

A lot of the post above is, to me, common sense and *SHOULD* be viewed positively.

Who wrote that? Because (for instance) it *IS* discriminatory to leave out a historical figure because s/he is homosexual.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Grouch

impossible to make it 100% reliable. Latest test prove about 50% of shells are fully legible.

Let alone the whole idea of a firing pin lasting forever, or the engraving making it past a few years of range time.

Sounds to me like they've got over 2 years to make it go from 50% of the time to an acceptable amount (probably 99%).

Again, this is far from impossible.

[hsmith]

Firearm dealers need to stop providing firearms to all of CA police. Fuck them.

[Scrum]

Don't some auto makers do something like this?

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Don't some auto makers do something like this?

I dunno, are they putting ID number on the teeth of gears or something?

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by 7960

Sounds to me like they've got over 2 years to make it go from 50% of the time to an acceptable amount (probably 99%).

Again, this is far from impossible.

You are aware that metal wears and can also be filed, yes?

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Firearm dealers need to stop providing firearms to all of CA police. Fuck them.

They should do that AND include a coupon for a free replacement firing pin with every new handgun.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

You are aware that metal wears and can also be filed, yes?

Microdots or microprinting could mark the gun and make it virtually impossible to remove all the numbers by filing. And the shell could be marked by some other method besides the firing pin. Hell, even the bullet could be marked as part of the firing process if they really wanted.

[goldenponderbob]

[quote=RMNIXON;142309] Boys' and girls' bathrooms that separate biological boys from biological girls. The second sexual indoctrination bill that Schwarzenegger signed, AB 394, will promote transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality to students, parents, and teachers through school training programs against 'harassment"' and 'discrimination.'"[/b][/list]Moralists can read between the bold lines on that second bill. It means that those who express the biblical position on homosexuality will be in big trouble.[/Qoute]

This is limited to schools? Or an any California traveler now expect mixed-gender public bathrooms?

Wow, I can envision the new travel brochures now.

[IminWonderland]

Why is it bad for all parts of a weapon to have orgin?

Why is it bad to know if a person buys a gun buy a gun, all signs will point to the owner?

[7960]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Why is it bad for all parts of a weapon to have orgin?

Why is it bad to know if a person buys a gun buy a gun, all signs will point to the owner?

the standard answer is "where in the constitution does it say the govt is supposed to track the purchase and ownership of weapons?"

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by 7960

the standard answer is "where in the constitution does it say the govt is supposed to track the purchase and ownership of weapons?"

Hmmm...well, it seems that arguement doesn't work anymore since the government tracks mostly everything, there are serial numbers on just about everything one buys, so I'm unclear how this should be any different. Why should the government know which car is mine? Why assign the VIN to it? It seems as though they are within the same arguement?

I don't necessarily argree with the serial numbers on things, just wondered what this side's arguement is about.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

the standard answer is "where in the constitution does it say the govt is supposed to track the purchase and ownership of weapons?"

The argument should be, "Does this infringe on someones right to own arms?".

I think the answer is no.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by 7960

Microdots or microprinting could mark the gun and make it virtually impossible to remove all the numbers by filing. And the shell could be marked by some other method besides the firing pin. Hell, even the bullet could be marked as part of the firing process if they really wanted.

And how do you propose that happen? More moving parts? Turn the gun itself into a machine tool? Any process that even attempts to do any of these things will do nothing except a) fail, and b) make guns prohibitively expensive. Which is, of course, the intent behind this law.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Scrum

The argument should be, "Does this infringe on someones right to own arms?".

I think the answer is no.

It does, because, again, the obvious intent is to make guns prohibitively expensive, and barring that, to cause gun manufacturers to stop doing business in california. Do you really think gun manufacturers are responsible for criminal misuse of their legal products? Of course they're not, any more than Ford is responsible for the actions of a drunk driver. Nobody really thinks that. The purpose of suits against gun manufacturers is to attempt to bankrupt them or drive them out of town.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

And how do you propose that happen? More moving parts? Turn the gun itself into a machine tool? Any process that even attempts to do any of these things will do nothing except a) fail, and b) make guns prohibitively expensive. Which is, of course, the intent behind this law.

I was thinking the same thing about cost. The purpose behind this bill seems to make legal handguns more expensive. Which in reality really is no different than taxing cigarettes, only the government isn't getting the money. I don't mind putting serial numbers on magazines or whatever. That's not such a bad idea. But I think this is a bit overboard.