Rumsfeld says terrorists manipulate media (AP)

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

nevermind.........rumsfeld lies, jews lie, the US lies, bush lies......EVERYONE lies except the terrorists, muslims, iraqis, and palestinians.

Couldn't come up with anything?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 7960

Are you disagreeing with me? I said rumsfeld was right but his comments will be marginalized....I believe you agreed with me that he's right, and we're already seeing his comments disregarded even just in this thread.

I'm so confused

no i'm agreeing

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Yes because republicans and the United States/Israel NEVER use the media to parlay the stories as they see it.

He never mentioned that. Even if that is your belief, how does that make what he said untrue?

[Publius]

That's certainly the pot calling the kettle black. I think you'd have to be an idiot not to realize terrorists use media propaganda; it has been proven time and again for DECADES to be a very potent and effective tool. You'd have to be just as much of an idiot not to realize that the U.S. government, and every other government in the world, uses that same tool.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Couldn't come up with anything?

No, didn't feel like bothering. There are too many threads around here pointing out how hizbollah got our media to print their version of a story...lying through pictures, lying with fake stories, lying by blowing their own shit up, lying by blowing up UN shit and blaming israel, etc, etc, etc.

You seem to think that by admitting rumsfeld is right about this that he's somehow right about more than this. He's right. They're using our media better than we are. I blame the media for being so willing to print *anything* before checking facts.

Hate him all you want but admitting rumsfeld is right about this doesn't mean anything about anything else.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Publius

... it has been proven time and again for DECADES to be a very potent and effective tool.

be ready to defend your idea... scrum doesn't believe this is possible.

You'd have to be just as much of an idiot not to realize that the U.S. government, and every other government in the world, uses that same tool.

Nobody, including rumsfeld, denies this. He said the terrorists are doing it, he didn't say we're not. That's the part that scrum isn't getting, probably because of his blind hate.

[Publius]

I just don't see why Rumsfeld bothers to comment on it when it's one of those blatantly obvious things, unless his intent is to make it seem like they're doing something evil and devious that we don't.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

And even more the types that aren't 'ing the same statement as well.

why would we? we posted several times scenarios in which they manipulated the media that came out. it's quite obvious, and a shame that you don't agree.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Publius

I just don't see why Rumsfeld bothers to comment on it when it's one of those blatantly obvious things, unless his intent is to make it seem like they're doing something evil and devious that we don't.

at the same time, i don't see why the media publishes it

[Publius]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

at the same time, i don't see why the media publishes it

They are a private business, they can publish whatever they want. Those stories are sensational and gains readership, even if only because it is controversial. There is a reason the NYT remains the most read newspaper in the nation despite the fact that it has been caught several times publishing out-and-out fabricated stories. People want sensationalism, the media provides it.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Publius

I just don't see why Rumsfeld bothers to comment on it when it's one of those blatantly obvious things, unless his intent is to make it seem like they're doing something evil and devious that we don't.

I had a friend who was a car salesman. He used to point out how their brand of car's roof had two sheets of metal for safety in case of roll-over (and a few other odd things you wouldn't think to ask). He said you'd be surprised how many people would say "That sounds safe. I want that." and factor that in on the plus side when buying a car from him.

He never mentioned it's a law that a car's roof must have two sheets of metal so *every* car has it. He might as well have been pointing out "All of our cars come with seatbelts!!"

Get my point? Rummy saying they're using our media may be blatantly obvious to you and me. He never said anything about anyone else.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Publius

They are a private business, they can publish whatever they want. Those stories are sensational and gains readership, even if only because it is controversial. There is a reason the NYT remains the most read newspaper in the nation despite the fact that it has been caught several times publishing out-and-out fabricated stories. People want sensationalism, the media provides it.

and he's a politician, he can politicize whatever he wants

[Publius]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

and he's a politician, he can politicize whatever he wants

Yes, he can. I'm not disputing that, I'm just curious as to what would motivate him to comment on something so obvious. Maybe I'm just too smart for my own good, and it isn't actually as obvious to your average American as it seems to me.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Publius

That's certainly the pot calling the kettle black. I think you'd have to be an idiot not to realize terrorists use media propaganda; it has been proven time and again for DECADES to be a very potent and effective tool. You'd have to be just as much of an idiot not to realize that the U.S. government, and every other government in the world, uses that same tool.

But to say that they have some control over the media where the government does not, is ridiculous.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Publius

Yes, he can. I'm not disputing that, I'm just curious as to what would motivate him to comment on something so obvious. Maybe I'm just too smart for my own good, and it isn't actually as obvious to your average American as it seems to me.

we here at LL are interested in politics. to those not so aware (the majority of the country) it is not quite as obvious, and they need to be told

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Publius

I just don't see why Rumsfeld bothers to comment on it when it's one of those blatantly obvious things, unless his intent is to make it seem like they're doing something evil and devious that we don't.

Yep.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

No, didn't feel like bothering. There are too many threads around here pointing out how hizbollah got our media to print their version of a story...lying through pictures, lying with fake stories, lying by blowing their own shit up, lying by blowing up UN shit and blaming israel, etc, etc, etc.

And in those cases you never get another version of the story? If there were manipulating our media like Rummy says, we wouldn't hear the other side. What we end up getting is their Propaganda, our Propaganda, and a bunch of stuff in the middle. Is that all that bad?

Not only that, but he isn't just refering to the PS'd pics and the ones captioned to make things look different. He is implying that anything that would make them look bad is a product of terrorists using the media and that's just not true.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

we here at LL are interested in politics. to those not so aware (the majority of the country) it is not quite as obvious, and they need to be told

Flip it around though, for those not so aware it is not quite as obvious that our own government dabbles in propaganda as well, so they need to be told. So my comment about Rumsfeld trying to make it seem like they're doing something evil and devious that we don't still stands.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

He is implying that anything that would make them look bad is a product of terrorists using the media and that's just not true.

is he really?