Ahmadinejad challenges Bush to debate!! - Page 2

militellum · 08-29-2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I saw him debate on some news show. He didn't do a good job. He refused to answer questions, darted questions and started talking about their outfits.

The guy interviewing him seemed afraid for his life and didn't want to piss him off and just went with it.

What it really comes down to is he can't really back up his position well. His arguments are basically the same as Thorgrim and Donkey's arguments on this board when they're defending Iran. He made the same exact points. The interviewer was getting frustrated that he couldn't get a straight answer.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

you don't have to be smart to instill fear into people

Let's see if I've got this one right. The defense for the great 'Defender' is that the Iranian lout "can't back up his position well" and "doesn't have to be smart to instill fear into people"........are Ahmadinejad and Bush twins?????

Stylerod · 08-29-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

Ahme came across as pretty useless in his interview on 60 minutes. The entire interview sucked because Wallace would ask a question, and pres would ignore the question and talk about whatever he wanted.

Any "debate" would just consist of the two ignoring the questions and grandstanding their talking points ad nauseum.

No shit. Remember all the expectations in the thread about it here? The Bush haters were creaming themselves. Then the interview is over and all I heard in that thread were crickets.

Hell, I think it was even Thorgrim that started that thread. He generally only makes threads that he thinks makes the US or Bush look bad. After the interview he was strangely quiet

beez · 08-29-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

Ahme came across as pretty useless in his interview on 60 minutes. The entire interview sucked because Wallace would ask a question, and pres would ignore the question and talk about whatever he wanted.

People on OT who spoke Farsi or whatever they speak in Iran were saying that the translation into English sucked for the interview

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Originally Posted by Phantom

Any "debate" would just consist of the two ignoring the questions and grandstanding their talking points ad nauseum.

I think that a fair i.e. properly moderated debate (remember - this is an ideal scenario where the moderator isn't some castrated sycophant like our debates) would be fun to watch.

beez · 08-29-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

bush does way better unscripted than he does scripted.

I've never been entirely impressed by his speaking ability on or off script but he always seemed far worse when caught off-guard. I avoid ever listening to, seeing, or reading anything he says at this point though so I am probably missing out.

ballz2wallz · 08-29-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by militellum

Let's see if I've got this one right. The defense for the great 'Defender' is that the Iranian lout "can't back up his position well" and "doesn't have to be smart to instill fear into people"........are Ahmadinejad and Bush twins?????

you are probably the third person to suggest in this thread that bush instills fear into the american people...

show me one american who is afraid of bush.

Scrum · 08-29-2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

you are probably the third person to suggest in this thread that bush instills fear into the american people...

show me one american who is afraid of bush.

DosEquis · 08-29-2006, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

you are probably the third person to suggest in this thread that bush instills fear into the american people...

show me one american who is afraid of bush.

I dont think anyone is implying that bush is scary man with mob squads. He marginalizes political opponents by having the PR campaign go out and scare people with terrorism and that only HE is the great defender that can save us. Anyone else would subject us to death and destruction via a terrorist attack.

See cheney speeches during 2004 and see speeches after Lamont won. See speeches about "dean democrats". You get the picture.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-29-2006, 07:08 PM

It really pisses me off that we live in a world where the Pres of the USA would never agree to a debate like this. Instead of having a real confrontation of ideas, face to face, the government would prefer to stick up an Ahmadinejad straw man and argue with it than argue with the actual guy on TV.

Why, when humans have a great clash of ideas, do we retreat into our little holes, fortify them, point missiles, pump out propaganda, demonize the enemy and generally avoid an actual dialogue? Why don't we just have a fucking debate???

One thing about Ahmadinejad that's really interesting is that he appears to have nothing to hide. He writes personal letters to Bush explaining everything he's thinking which are publically released, he has a fucking blog, and now he wants to have a live, uncensored TV debate.

Why can't our president be like this? I really do think that Bush fears he'll lose the battle of ideas if he can't have a propaganda/rhetoric machine to hide behind and instead just is left naked to speak on his own. If he's so sure that he's morally in the right, and Ahmedienjad is insane and wrong, then why doesn't he whoop his ass in a debate for the whole world to watch?

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-29-2006, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

iran's president in a loony and you people are backing him up like he's the debate king. give me a break.

well i'm no olympic runner, but if you put me in the special olympics, i'm pretty sure i'd win.

ballz2wallz · 08-29-2006, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I dont think anyone is implying that bush is scary man with mob squads. He marginalizes political opponents by having the PR campaign go out and scare people with terrorism and that only HE is the great defender that can save us. Anyone else would subject us to death and destruction via a terrorist attack.

See cheney speeches during 2004 and see speeches after Lamont won. See speeches about "dean democrats". You get the picture.

yeah but when you say 'so iran's president and bush are the same thing' that seems a bit childish. bush doesn't have public hangings of government dissenters.

motivez · 08-29-2006, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

you are probably the third person to suggest in this thread that bush instills fear into the american people...

show me one american who is afraid of bush.

I'm sure Jose Padilla and any other Americans that have been held illegally due to Presidential order are afraid of Bush and his misuse of power.

motivez · 08-29-2006, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

yeah but when you say 'so iran's president and bush are the same thing' that seems a bit childish. bush doesn't have public hangings of government dissenters.

They still use fear as a tactic to keep the people too afraid to speak out and critically analyze policies

DosEquis · 08-30-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

yeah but when you say 'so iran's president and bush are the same thing' that seems a bit childish. bush doesn't have public hangings of government dissenters.

Again, nobody claims bush is hanging people. He might put them in jail as "enemy combatants" like motivez suggests and Jose Padilla would say... Either way he is not a 'bad guy' like the Iranian president

HOWEVER, both use fear to get their way. That is what they have in common. The way they apply fear is different, but either way fear is their main tactic when trying to get their agenda approved.

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I'm sure Jose Padilla and any other Americans that have been held illegally due to Presidential order are afraid of Bush and his misuse of power.

Jose Padilla, the one that was trying to buy a nuclear bomb? what 'other Americans' have been held that didn't deserve to be?

People that are criminals are not afraid of bush and the government.

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

They still use fear as a tactic to keep the people too afraid to speak out and critically analyze policies

with internet bloggers, media, and opposing parties, i don't see ANYONE who's afraid to speak out against their policies.

Stylerod · 08-30-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

with internet bloggers, media, and opposing parties, i don't see ANYONE who's afraid to speak out against their policies.

Neither do I.

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

HOWEVER, both use fear to get their way. That is what they have in common. The way they apply fear is different, but either way fear is their main tactic when trying to get their agenda approved.

so basically you're equating 'we should be aware of terrorists that want to kill us, and highten security measures' to 'do what i say or i'll kill you'?

DosEquis · 08-30-2006, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

so basically you're equating 'we should be aware of terrorists that want to kill us, and highten security measures' to 'do what i say or i'll kill you'?

You know damn well it is more than "be aware of terrorists". Its more like "vote for them and the terrorists will attack again. vote for them and you or your family may be victims"

Its not "or I will kill you" its "vote for me or they will kill you".

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

You know damn well it is more than "be aware of terrorists". Its more like "vote for them and the terrorists will attack again. vote for them and you or your family may be victims"

Its not "or I will kill you" its "vote for me or they will kill you".

the democrats are not known for the military support or high security measures. they are known for not wanting to racially profile people as they come through the airports.

to say that voting for democrats increases your chances of a terrorist attack is something i'd agree with, until they show me otherwise.

what do you know, this came out today:

Cheney: Security tops election agenda

Some Democratic leaders want to weaken the tools the administration uses to identify and track terrorists, Cheney said, while others would “give up the fight (and) retreat” from Iraq.

if that's what you mean by 'vote for them and you're helping terrorists' or however you want to say it, i can't really say i disagree with him