Ron Paul is an Idiot!

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by lew

Our society thrived on very low bureaucratic offices for 200 years. I honestly don't understand the fetish people have with them now.

Out society is not the same as it was 200 or even 100 years ago - the national government has gotten very strong and the states very weak therefore many things the states would of done when to the national and bureaucracies we needed. To think we can reverse this in 4 or 8 years - for something that took more than a hundred years, a civil war and numerous supreme court decisions to make - is not feasible

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Seriously, just in addition to this discussion, which do YOU think need to be cut? I ask because there was a recent poll that discovered that although some huge portion of those polled thought that gov't programs needed to be cut or at least cut back (something in the 80's percent), only a handfull proffered suggestions on exactly what to cut.

Anyhow, RP has been one of the only congressmen in the past 20 years who has been legitimately worried about backlash, from far more than just his would-be federal solutions. During every president he's served during, he has said many times that we shouldn't be doing something because of backlash.

Since - as far as I know - I am not in the running for the Presidency or the Senate or even the House - I leave that decision up to the candidates. Isn't that what a republic is about? Our leaders represent us, they are not a conduit for what we believe, they (should) have the expertise, experience and information we don't to know what we can get rid of and what needs reform

[hermezwiz]

What low,obnoxious trash of a video!
How easy to criticize and try to find ill-will in taking a random sample of people's opinion.....

It is videos like the above that make America look ugly and cheap!...SHAME ON THOSE PRESENTERS


Frank L is at least not making his living trying to diminsh the english language with all that indecency found on the video! People will always be curious and want to know what people think about issues and political questions! Get the heck use to polls.....they say something a whole lot better than that session of vomit dumpster juice coming through on "this" You Tube video!!!

They sound like:
TWO LOSERS with NO WOMEN IN THEIR LIFE

[lew]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

Out society is not the same as it was 200 or even 100 years ago - the national government has gotten very strong and the states very weak therefore many things the states would of done when to the national and bureaucracies we needed. To think we can reverse this in 4 or 8 years - for something that took more than a hundred years, a civil war and numerous supreme court decisions to make - is not feasible

Paul has NEVER claimed he could reverse it in 4 or 8 years.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by lew

Paul has NEVER claimed he could reverse it in 4 or 8 years.

10, 15, 20 years, it don't matter unless there are STRUCTURAL and FUNDAMENTAL changes in the system that shifts power to the States..no power shift, no work

[Publius]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

10, 15, 20 years, it don't matter unless there are STRUCTURAL and FUNDAMENTAL changes in the system that shifts power to the States..no power shift, no work

So your solution is to just continue with the status quo, instead of trying to elect someone that will at least START the process of making that shift happen?

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Publius

So your solution is to just continue with the status quo, instead of trying to elect someone that will at least START the process of making that shift happen?

ummm no, I stated in my earlier posts that SOME do indeed need to be eliminated and most need reform....my point still stands - RP's "solution" is DUMB - nice try though

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Ron Paul has introduced bills to keep the FDA in check and if president he would work to majorly gimp them to lower the cost of healthcare. I think those principles trump your incorrect assessment of his stance.

That is not what I heard durring the debate.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

That is not what I heard durring the debate.

RP has the most consistent track record of anyone in congress. I think given his 30 years of consistency, you may have heard/understood wrong, eh? :P

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by lew

"Corporate greed".....


Paul is the most pro-capitalist candidate on the stage. In fact, you won't find a more capitalist member in the entire Congress. He's almost an anarcho-capitalist, for christs sake.

He's also an adamant free-trader....and yet you think he's some sort of anti-capitalist protectionist based on your post.

And, it wasn't an online poll, idiot, it was a PHONE poll. One phone, one vote. And Paul won by a large margin

Fuck biased "scientific" polls and fuck biased "scientific" focus groups.



cliffs: fuck Frank Luntz.

YouTube Video

What a rally of support!

I have had libertarian leanings long before these youngsters for Ron Paul were even born. In fact the only person who I know who may vote for Paul is very much the liberal, but can't stand Hillary being shoved down the throat of the party. How many more?

But I know what I heard Lew. I am not backing any horse in this race just yet. I am here to debate, not plug a candidate for office. Ron Paul has a long way to go to convince me he is not harboring all kinds of economic resentments and conspiracy crap. He did not talk like a free market libertarian that much the other night. He sounded more like someone desperate to work the anti-Bush crowd. I don't think it worked.

[Ardentfrost]

He sounded more like someone desperate to work the anti-Bush crowd. I don't think it worked.

That's because they (the RP people) weren't given the number of tickets that the other candidates were. That's not a conspiracy theory, he brought it up on Hannity & Colmes after the debate when he was tromping the text polls by a factor of 2 (which, of course, Hannity dismissed, even though it was their own poll).

[hermezwiz]

I was amazed when Hannity dismissed him , this obvously shows that there is more PR going towards Guliani then any other republican candidate and when you have that type of exposure it will be tougher to get the other candidates on the same playing field...(As always though I love the fact that Hannity and Colmes interviewed all the candidates after the debate!! Go FOX NEWS

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by hermezwiz

I was amazed when Hannity dismissed him , this obvously shows that there is more PR going towards Guliani then any other republican candidate and when you have that type of exposure it will be tougher to get the other candidates on the same playing field...(As always though I love the fact that Hannity and Colmes interviewed all the candidates after the debate!! Go FOX NEWS

This is FAR from the first time Hannity has dismissed RP's results as a fluke or occurring because of all the hackers who are RP fans. It's ridiculous really. But despite many attempts in trying to keep him down, they can't ignore constant high electronic poll numbers and impressive campaign contributions.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by hermezwiz

I was amazed when Hannity dismissed him , this obvously shows that there is more PR going towards Guliani then any other republican candidate and when you have that type of exposure it will be tougher to get the other candidates on the same playing field...(As always though I love the fact that Hannity and Colmes interviewed all the candidates after the debate!! Go FOX NEWS

Murdock is a client of Giuliani's personal company

[DinTN]

"Ron Paul the straight man is going to be on a funny show -Jay Leno on Oct. 30 on NBC. "
"There probably will be a lot of laughs. Jay often does his thing by going out on the streets and asking passerbys questions about current events and history. It is amazing they know more about Paris Hilton then our government. I find this year that most of the Candidates are pretty funny. I mean have a good sense of humor.I met Ron Paul and he does too. He is a very nice person as his his family. The point is Ron Paul did not just pop up out of nowhere to run for President. He has been in service to our country for over 20 years.He is very serious as to the direction our country is taken. So watch him( the straight man) on the show and
remember there is a lot more he offers than "JUST MEETS THE EYE"

Ron Paul Revolution - Ron Paul For President - Ron Paul TV - FreeMe (dot) TV - Hope For America - Ron Paul for President - Ron Paul 2008 - Support The Troops Bring Them Home - Restore The Republic

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

10, 15, 20 years, it don't matter unless there are STRUCTURAL and FUNDAMENTAL changes in the system that shifts power to the States..no power shift, no work

and

I stated in my earlier posts that SOME do indeed need to be eliminated and most need reform....my point still stands - RP's "solution" is DUMB - nice try though

David,

Thomas Jefferson said, "It is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped from the states, and the goverhment of all be consolidated into one."

He had great foresight didn't he?

To your point about the states, I agree. There are plans in the works that will resolve this issue. Ron Paul supports this tactic. This should aleviate some of your pessimism. See: What Really Divides Us? by Rep. Ron Paul

Ron Paul has also mentioned a timeframe in one of his speeches to be "about 10 years."

Now what would our country be like without the government nanny? Look no further than Hong Kong where they have NO social services, a top tax rate of 17%, over 90% take home pay, less than 5% unemployment and a stock market that is at an all-time high. They are also leaps and bounds above the U.S. when it comes to technology, yet there GNP per capita is 60% less than the U.S. Oh, and their life expetancy is higher (mabye the quality of life isn't so bad without government intervention eh?).

Ron Paul is the only candidate that stands between our nation heading towards bankruptcy. He is the only candidate that will take the bull by the horns and make a difference for We The People moving forward.

If you have a candidate that you support, please let me know his/her platform. I'd be happy to discuss. Otherwise, I'm not sure how much help your criticism of Paul is since you don't have all of the facts. I do give you credit for the "states" issue. If the timeframe is the only concern about Paul, what candidate (hardly) or alternative solution (that is based on the Constitution as Paul's is) do you offer? Do you really think there is a candidate better suited for this task than Paul?

IMO, Ron Paul is the only Hope for America.

Fed Up

[Roger_W_Isom]

I simply can NOT endorse Ron Paul......
I mean I don't feel comfortable with his "positions"
on the issues......

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Roger_W_Isom

I simply can NOT endorse Ron Paul......
I mean I don't feel comfortable with his "positions"
on the issues......

Your post lacks reasons. Please expand.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by lew

"Corporate greed".....


Paul is the most pro-capitalist candidate on the stage. In fact, you won't find a more capitalist member in the entire Congress. He's almost an anarcho-capitalist, for christs sake.

He's also an adamant free-trader....and yet you think he's some sort of anti-capitalist protectionist based on your post.

Depends on your definition of Capitalism. I take Capitalism to mean a government that serves the interests of corporate power. That is to say a government run by corporations. This is a form of collectivism. To direct shared resources to special interests. (Corporate welfare and regulations that favor large corporations).

Since Ron Paul is a free market economist, he is absolutely against unfair/monopolistic trade practices, and therefore VERY anti Capitalist.

Folks tend to confuse free markets with capitalism, some intentionally.

Read F.A. Hayek - 'The Road to Serfdom' - This is the book that woke Ron Paul up back in the 70's.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by RockPusher