The Truth About Jena? - Page 3

David Octavius · 10-25-2007, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

The noose was only form of capitol punishment used in the United States for hundreds of years (firing squad was used but mainly by the military). It was used on everyone. White and black.

Right but the noose what used specifically on innocent black people to terrorize their community and disenfranchised them - so the noose might mean punishment for a crime to the rest of America, but for a long time in black America it was a symbol of hate and terror

7960 · 10-25-2007, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Bullshit.

No. Serious shit.

This

Is comletely different than this

I won't argue with you. If you didn't learn it or if you just disagree, ok. But a noose on a limb is much more than just a rope on a tree. Chains on a license don't mean shit...wrap them around a black guy's neck and THEN see how people react. It's all about context.

Stylerod · 10-25-2007, 09:30 AM

It seems that a cross was put around a statue of Tupac neck with a piece of rope and they are calling it a "noose." In the news article they even show a picture of the cross with a noose picture next to it. Whatever....

A statue commemorating slain rapper, actor and activist Tupac Shakur is among the latest targets of a hangman's noose, according to the foundation bearing Shakur's name.

Detectives have been investigating the first incident, as are Department of Homeland Security investigators, Hodge said. Specifically, authorities are looking into the stickers that were plastered on the statue, Hodge said, adding that they did not consider the rope tied around the neck of the statue to be a noose but a way to fasten a wooden cross to the likeness. "From reading the report, it doesn't sound like a hate crime," Hodge said.

hermezwiz · 10-25-2007, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by David Octavius

But apparently you have to be a "genious" to spell genius...

Some kind of movement? I didn't get a pamphlet. Maybe its just NY, but most people here have nothing against white people and look at them as just, well, people

That is unfair I agree with you there

Well last time I checked this wasn't a class on spelling....those were pretty cheap comments...I can tell for the most part you are like school on Sunday

....NO CLASS

Stylerod · 10-25-2007, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by hermezwiz

Well last time I checked this wasn't a class on spelling....those were pretty cheap comments...I can tell for the most part you are like school on Sunday

....NO CLASS

+10 Points for the Fat Albert reference! DING DING DING

Scrum · 10-25-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by hermezwiz

Well last time I checked this wasn't a class on spelling....those were pretty cheap comments...I can tell for the most part you are like school on Sunday

....NO CLASS

I was going to bust out a yo mamma joke, but i'll link you the forum rules instead.

http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/...d-12-02-a.html

hermezwiz · 10-25-2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

I was going to bust out a yo mamma joke, but i'll link you the forum rules instead.

http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/...d-12-02-a.html

Maybe you should spend your efforts linking Octavius to the site???

Scrum · 10-25-2007, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by hermezwiz

Maybe you should spend your efforts linking Octavius to the site???

He knows where the rules are. I wasn't sure if you did.

Pardon me for trying to help you out.

hermezwiz · 10-25-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

He knows where the rules are. I wasn't sure if you did.

Pardon me for trying to help you out.

Oh Gotcha! Thanks for the 411

RMNIXON · 10-25-2007, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by David Octavius

Right but the noose what used specifically on innocent black people to terrorize their community and disenfranchised them - so the noose might mean punishment for a crime to the rest of America, but for a long time in black America it was a symbol of hate and terror

I don't see any possible mistake in this case. Not with kids from the South. They may not have the old attitudes, but they know about them.

Stylerod · 10-25-2007, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I don't see any possible mistake in this case. Not with kids from the South. They may not have the old attitudes, but they know about them.

During Halloween growing up there must have been 10 houses that had scare crows hanging from trees. Some with pumpkin heads, some with burlap sacks, some with T-shirts and faces painted on it. Not once, ever, did I think about it being racist. Now there are stories in the news of homeowners being asked to take down their decorations because of this. This is something new.

RMNIXON · 10-25-2007, 05:27 PM

This was not Halloween, and this was an area where the white students gathered and blacks were not welcome. Now I can't make too much of that as just a white racist thing since blacks have their own areas in schools all over and will enforce segregation with violence and intimidation. But I think this case is clear. The act was wrong, and the violence against this one white student was much worse. There are NO heros in this tale. I don't know what I find more offensive? The behavior of the students or the behavior of adults who made excuses for the white kids who hung the noose or the ones doing the same for the Jena six now? To quote Shakespeare all should be "punished."

IminWonderland · 10-27-2007, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by hermezwiz

Well why doesn't someone answer Ja Jae's question if you so feel this is sooo true??

Well, I still make 74 cents to JaJae's Dollar.

So, somehow I don't think it's a far fetched assessment.

JaJae · 10-27-2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Well, I still make 74 cents to JaJae's Dollar.

So, somehow I don't think it's a far fetched assessment.

Why do you think you make 74 cents to my dollar?

7960 · 01-18-2008, 08:30 AM

Let me dig this bad boy up.

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I agree with the burning cross and somewhat with the southern flag, but I don't agree with the noose. I see the as more of a "western justice" type symbol than something against blacks. I have never thought of that as a symbol of racism.

The editor of Golfweek magazine said he was overwhelmed by negative reaction to the photo of a noose on the cover of this week's issue, illustrating a story about the suspension of a Golf Channel anchor for using the word "lynch" in an on-air discussion about how to beat Tiger Woods.

"We knew that image would grab attention, but I didn't anticipate the enormity of it," Dave Seanor, vice president and editor of the weekly magazine, said from the PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando, Fla.

"There's been a huge, negative reaction," he said. "I've gotten so many e-mails. It's a little overwhelming."

Among the critics was PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem, who said he found the imagery to be "outrageous and irresponsible."

Apparently we have someone else who wasn't taught that a noose would evoke "a huge, negative reaction."

lew · 01-18-2008, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by David Octavius

I feel sorry for white christian males, they seem so oppressed in our country, they have the burden of getting more money for the same job than minorities and women, hold high positions in the most powerful companies in the world and dominate every level of government...yea I feel sooo sorry for them

That is such complete bullshit.

David Octavius · 01-18-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by lew

That is such complete bullshit.

Wow nice analysis, prove I am wrong. Or is this petty comment made just because you are mad that I was right about Ron Paul's electoral chances??

Scrum · 01-18-2008, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by lew

That is such complete bullshit.

You sure about that?

lew · 01-18-2008, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by David Octavius

Wow nice analysis, prove I am wrong. Or is this petty comment made just because you are mad that I was right about Ron Paul's electoral chances??

Taken as an average across the entire country, blacks earn less than the average of whites. This is true. What is not true, is that discrimination is behind it.

Whites earns less than Chinese and Japanese, on average. Are we to assume that there is a pro-Asian, anti-white bias in this country? Because that is what you were implying by saying that "whites make more than blacks, women, and minorities."

bheld · 01-18-2008, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by lew

Taken as an average across the entire country, blacks earn less than the average of whites. This is true. What is not true, is that discrimination is behind it.

Whites earns less than Chinese and Japanese, on average. Are we to assume that there is a pro-Asian, anti-white bias in this country? Because that is what you were implying by saying that "whites make more than blacks, women, and minorities."

That's mostly indicative of systemic discrimination based on socioeconomic status. You're talking about two totally different situations but I think that race also plays a role in both cases. Asians benefit from the "model minority" stereotype and we all know how black people are portrayed. These are things that operate on a subconscious level so it's hard to pin down exactly how much they affect decisions. There must be something to it though or else advertising wouldn't be a billion dollar business.