"Don't tase me bro" Cops cleared

[7960]

Originally Posted by hsmith

The police organized the forum?

When and where did the organizers ask him to be removed?

oh christ

UF organized the forum. It's campus police's job to ensure the event is orderly and (for one) no students are rude to the guest of honor.

Someone said the Q&A period was wrapping up and this asshole was *way* back in line. So he:

1. cut his way to the front of the line
2. taunted a cop who approached him about skipping people in front and going to the mic
3. made a scene at the mic, prompting kerry to tell the cop (paraphrased) "I'll take his question" even though the Q&A was ending
4. rambled on and on without getting to his question even though he was asked twice (possibly three times, and I believe once by kerry)
5. said blow job into the mic

At that point the police were well within their purview to ask him to leave. When he refused they had every right to remove him. When he resisted they did the right thing in taking in the manner that put him and themselves in the least amount of danger.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

You guys really need to go back into the other thread. All of this has already been said. Nothing new here at all.

That thread was a circle jerk of those that thought one thing and backed each other up, or thought another thing and backed each other up

7960 acts like a condescending subject matter expert on it and his opinion is fact

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by 7960

When he resisted they did the right thing in taking in the manner that put him and themselves in the least amount of danger.

The highlighted is the most important part. If he would have just walked out with them we never would have heard about it and no one would have gotten hurt. Once he resisted, and tore himself away, why should the police have to risk their bodies to subdue him when they can stand safely 3+ feet away from the guy to do it. He created the situation and he needs to accept what came to him.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Publius

The University of Florida is a state-owned public school, isn't it? Hasn't the law been pretty clear that as long as it isn't profane and hateful (or hate-inciting) language, a student at a public university is guaranteed his or her free speech rights under the first amendment?

Based on what I've been reading, it's kind of in a gray area and could go either way, Constitutionally speaking.

You don't have freedom of speech on a state run university anymore than you have freedom of speech at a state run elementary school or a state run prison. You have more leeway, but if you're at a speech you don't have the right to interrupt and you still have to follow police orders.

People get arrested for heckling Coulter all the time, even when they don't assault her.

[7960]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Peaceful demostrations are allowed. I have seen pictures of aborted fetuses on Virginia Tech's campus when I went there at demonstrations. They bothered me, but were allowed.

"allowed" does not mean the campus/police *must* allow them........they could be removed at any time.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 7960

"allowed" does not mean the campus/police *must* allow them........they could be removed at any time.

Correct. If a police officer orders you to leave, you must leave. It is not up to you to analyze your rights for yourself and do whatever you want. If you choose to do so you risk getting tazed.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by JaJae

You don't have freedom of speech on a state run university anymore than you have freedom of speech at a state run elementary school or a state run prison. You have more leeway, but if you're at a speech you don't have the right to interrupt and you still have to follow police orders.

People get arrested for heckling Coulter all the time, even when they don't assault her.

You are comparing campuses to jails?

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Correct. If a police officer orders you to leave, you must leave. It is not up to you to analyze your rights for yourself and do whatever you want.

Since when to police have the right to tell you to do whatever they want?

[7960]

Originally Posted by hsmith

That thread was a circle jerk of those that thought one thing and backed each other up, or thought another thing and backed each other up

7960 acts like a condescending subject matter expert on it and his opinion is fact

I'm acting just like you.........."Of COURSE there was abuse but there's no way they'd find it after investigating themselves!"

There is more to the story than "police tasered him for asking a question" but everything you're posting says police were wrong and you're not backing any of it up with anything but an implied "he was only asking a question, of course the police were wrong."

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by 7960

oh christ

UF organized the forum. It's campus police's job to ensure the event is orderly and (for one) no students are rude to the guest of honor.

Someone said the Q&A period was wrapping up and this asshole was *way* back in line. So he:

1. cut his way to the front of the line
2. taunted a cop who approached him about skipping people in front and going to the mic
3. made a scene at the mic, prompting kerry to tell the cop (paraphrased) "I'll take his question" even though the Q&A was ending
4. rambled on and on without getting to his question even though he was asked twice (possibly three times, and I believe once by kerry)
5. said blow job into the mic

At that point the police were well within their purview to ask him to leave. When he refused they had every right to remove him. When he resisted they did the right thing in taking in the manner that put him and themselves in the least amount of danger.

So 3 of the 5 reasons are your "feelings" on the matter, which aren't ground to eject him from the event.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by hsmith

You are comparing campuses to jails?

I'm comparing state run institutions to state run institutions. I also mentioned schools. There is no state run place where you have the absolute authority to do whatever you want and not listen to police.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Since when to police have the right to tell you to do whatever they want?

Now are you arguing just for the sake of arguing.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by JaJae

You don't have freedom of speech on a state run university anymore than you have freedom of speech at a state run elementary school or a state run prison. You have more leeway, but if you're at a speech you don't have the right to interrupt and you still have to follow police orders.

People get arrested for heckling Coulter all the time, even when they don't assault her.

There are very specific guidelines on what is acceptable infringement of free speech, based mostly on the forum analysis. A Q&A session is a gray area within those guidelines, imo.

Of Interest - Office of Legal Affairs

Forum analysis is the most commonly used test to determine the constitutionality of free speech restrictions on free speech, and it was first set out by the U.S. Supreme Court in a secondary education case in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators Association, 460 U.S. 37, 44 (1983). The “forum analysis” examines three factors; the physical location of the speech, the subject of the speech, and the restriction being imposed on the speech. A court will engage in forum analysis only after considering a few preliminary issues related to the speech and the parties involved. Some of the factors a court may consider are the form, category, content and viewpoint of the speech as well as who is speaking and the party imposing the restriction. All of these factors are either considered in the analysis or it is determined whether the analysis is required by focusing on the level of protection a particular speech warrants. For example, forum analysis will be employed if the court determines the speech deserves some level of protection and the restriction is being imposed by a state actor or entity.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

The highlighted is the most important part. If he would have just walked out with them we never would have heard about it and no one would have gotten hurt. Once he resisted, and tore himself away, why should the police have to risk their bodies to subdue him when they can stand safely 3+ feet away from the guy to do it. He created the situation and he needs to accept what came to him.

EXACTLY!

If a cop asks me to leave a courthouse do I have the right to refuse? And if he asks again and I refuse do I have the right to decide if he's wrong for removing me and resist? No.

When the cop said "leave" he had two choices........leave on his own or be removed. He did NOT have the right to decide if the cop was wrongfully removing him. It was not his land, it was not even public property.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by 7960

I'm acting just like you.........."Of COURSE there was abuse but there's no way they'd find it after investigating themselves!"

There is more to the story than "police tasered him for asking a question" but everything you're posting says police were wrong and you're not backing any of it up with anything but an implied "he was only asking a question, of course the police were wrong."

Am I purvey to the information the police have on this matter? All I have is a limited video of the event.

THe whole "thin blue line" phenomenon is very real and police are advocates of watching each others backs. Sorry if I call into question an investigation done by their own department.

After the abuses in Virginia by police officers of lawful gun owners and the "investigations" that follow those, it is hard to trust any investigation.

[7960]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Since when to police have the right to tell you to do whatever they want?

SINCE THEY'RE GIVEN THE AUTHORITY BY THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE EVENT.



Can you at least try to be intellectually honest here?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Since when to police have the right to tell you to do whatever they want?

I've known that since I was 12.

[7960]

Originally Posted by hsmith

So 3 of the 5 reasons are your "feelings" on the matter, which aren't ground to eject him from the event.

No, all 5 actually happened. My "feelings" don't matter. Only the "feelings" of the people running the event matter, and they made their "feelings" clear when they cut his mic.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by 7960

EXACTLY!

If a cop asks me to leave a courthouse do I have the right to refuse? And if he asks again and I refuse do I have the right to decide if he's wrong for removing me and resist? No.

When the cop said "leave" he had two choices........leave on his own or be removed. He did NOT have the right to decide if the cop was wrongfully removing him. It was not his land, it was not even public property.

You're suggesting with this post that you believe police authority and police officers are infallible. That frightens me a little, I must admit.

Why should I not have the right to determine that another person is acting in a wrongful manner, but that person has the right to determine that I am acting in a wrongful manner just because he has a badge? In my experience police are, for the most part, no better informed on Constitutional issues than the general public.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Publius

You're suggesting with this post that you believe police authority and police officers are infallible. That frightens me a little, I must admit.

Why should I not have the right to determine that another person is acting in a wrongful manner, but that p