UN told off POSSIBLE Iran sanctions until mid-September - Page 2

Scrum · 08-30-2006, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by thomez

I say we let Israel handle this one. They have no UN credibility either and better to direct the aftermath of violence their way

08-30-2006, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I thought Israel was the bad-ass in the area. Can't they take care of themselves?

So are you ok with a nuclear armed Iran?

Scrum · 08-30-2006, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

So are you ok with a nuclear armed Iran?

As much as I am with a nuke armed NK, Pakistan, China and Russia.

DosEquis · 08-30-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Direct talks don't work. But there is nothing else to do right now except keep trying. At least then when we have to bomb them we can say we tried

Keep trying what? The UN route?

Personally i think our negotiating power with the UN and the world would be significantly greater if we never put our foot in Iraq. As in, this problem would be nearly over with by now.

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by thomez

I say we let Israel handle this one.

they tried to handle hezbollah themselves and we see how well the world liked that

08-30-2006, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

As much as I am with a nuke armed NK, Pakistan, China and Russia.

Which means what? you're going to dodge the question? You're ok with it? you're against it?

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

As much as I am with a nuke armed NK, Pakistan, China and Russia.

i think Iran is crazier than those countries

Stylerod · 08-30-2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Keep trying what? The UN route?

Personally i think our negotiating power with the UN and the world would be significantly greater if we never put our foot in Iraq. As in, this problem would be nearly over with by now.

Right. We'd still be arguing with Saddam, he would still be breaking all his promises. The UN would have done nothing to enforce their resolutions and the message to everyone in the world would be to do what you want, there will be no consequences. The UN has no power, no teeth, no authority. I think the the world would be even MORE emboldened to not take anything that the UN says seriously. At least now Iran has to have in the back of their minds that; "Well, Bush is just crazy enough to bomb the shit out of us if we go too far."

Scrum · 08-30-2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Which means what? you're going to dodge the question? You're ok with it? you're against it?

I would say against with the understanding that it's inevitable.

Scrum · 08-30-2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Right. We'd still be arguing with Saddam, he would still be breaking all his promises. The UN would have done nothing to enforce their resolutions and the message to everyone in the world would be to do what you want, there will be no consequences. The UN has no power, no teeth, no authority. I think the the world would be even MORE emboldened to not take anything that the UN says seriously. At least now Iran has to have in the back of their minds that; "Well, Bush is just crazy enough to bomb the shit out of us if we go too far."

So you feel the UN should have much more power?

Scrum · 08-30-2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

i think Iran is crazier than those countries

I don't think they are crazier than NK.

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I don't think they are crazier than NK.

i thikn they have more of an opportunity to be crazier. NK is completely surrounded by people that don't support them or agree with what they are doing. they'd be annihiliated the moment they tried something crazy. NK is a dog in a cage.

OTOH, Iran is free in an area of people that don't care what they are doing. iran has hezbollah and other groups they fund in other countries. they are making weapons for people in that region; people that want to destroy other countries and peoples. it's a whole different scenario

08-30-2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I would say against with the understanding that it's inevitable.

How is it inevitable? (not that i disagree wtih you on that)

ballz2wallz · 08-30-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

How is it inevitable? (not that i disagree wtih you on that)

i don't think it's necessarily inevitable under iran's current leadership.

Thorgrim · 08-30-2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Right. We'd still be arguing with Saddam, he would still be breaking all his promises. The UN would have done nothing to enforce their resolutions and the message to everyone in the world would be to do what you want, there will be no consequences. The UN has no power, no teeth, no authority. I think the the world would be even MORE emboldened to not take anything that the UN says seriously. At least now Iran has to have in the back of their minds that; "Well, Bush is just crazy enough to bomb the shit out of us if we go too far."

UN inspectors were still inside Iraq working...WE pulled them out

He was boxed in on all sides, there was no threat, the UN, through US pressure had done an amazing job, the only US complaint was "hey they aren't finding WMD so Saddam must not be complying!!!"

thomez · 08-30-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

they tried to handle hezbollah themselves and we see how well the world liked that

I really don't think that the Middle East's opinion of Israel could get much lower even if they bombed Iran

What the world thinks of Israel isn't really our concern and if we quit sending them cash and arms, people wouldn't (or would be less likely to) tie what they do to us

ibchargesofantisemitism

Thorgrim · 08-30-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

I really don't think that the Middle East's opinion of Israel could get much lower even if they bombed Iran

What the world thinks of Israel isn't really our concern and if we quit sending them cash and arms, people wouldn't (or would be less likely to) tie what they do to us

ibchargesofantisemitism

So you shave your head recently?

thomez · 08-30-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So you shave your head recently?

I got a haircut and it IS pretty short...

slosucks · 08-30-2006, 01:31 PM

sanctions never work, there is no answer for iran, and if you think you have an answer than chances you are wrong. ahme is a crazy madman, the only thing that would stop him is a bullet to the head, but another war in the middle east is asking far too much from the troops so thats out, you cant talk to the guy, so thats out, the UN has no effect on anyone, this is too complicated and i think we have to wait it out. israel isnt afraid of iran because if israel and iran get in a war, it would be army v army, not army v guerillas in civilian areas, so it would be a much easier war for israel.

Thorgrim · 08-30-2006, 01:37 PM

talk to the mullahs, why are is everyone refusing to do this?