Why are democrats ignoring their best contender for presidency? - Page 2

DosEquis · 11-05-2007, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Can someone provide some examples of Biden being an asshole?

I think he copied off a british politician nearly 20 years ago...to use some material for a speach he had to make.

Other than that..he has been fairly clean as far as I know. Though he has been a career politician, he is not wealthy by any means. Has been in the senate forever, having to wait like 2-3 weeks because he was too young. He has over come a lot of adversity in his life and seems to be genuinely interested in serving the public interest...not taking bribes, touching congressional pages, or passing huge amounts of pork money to float his state and buy votes.

IminWonderland · 11-06-2007, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

The Democratic party is being hijacked by the far left. They have a lot of blue dog Democrats, but how often do you read about their opinions in the New York Times or see them on TV? They're ignored by the media for the likes of Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Rangel, etc. These people have received leadership positions within the party and they clearly don't exemplify the mainstream Democratic view or the mainstream view of America.

The only reason Hillary is leading in the polls is because of her last name and media coverage. America "thinks" she's going to be the next president and for Democrats that's enough to give her a vote to get a win over the GOP... despite the fact they don't like her. After the last debate I think that's going to finally start to change. If the other Democrats make a big point of flaunting her flaws people will see Hillary is a very dangerous candidate to put out there in a national election, especially against someone like Rudy who is socially liberal on many key issues.

Just a side note about Hillary's newfound faux moderate persona. Anyone who thinks she's going to keep this persona after she's been elected has been smoking waay too much hooka.

I think the people who have been paying attention realize this.

The problem with this country, are the people who are not paying attention.

goldenponderbob · 11-06-2007, 08:38 AM

On the Biden thing, A-hole doesn't provide much information, but he always seems to be apologizing by Wednesday for stuff he said with conviction on Monday. I can recall several of those apologies wherein I agreed with what he said on Monday and wished he'd stop being sorry.

He once apologized for not giving credit in a speech to a string of words that were liftted from some previous speech by some previous speechgiver. I saw no reason for the apology, unless he didn't intend to use the words. Tf Franklin or Twain said something relevant to a point I wanted to make I'd use their words and be goddam glad they gave them to me to use. Speeches are not literature, and you'd better get used to the idea that not every phrase needs to be proofed for plagerism.

I could understand not wanting a President who worries about covering his tracks as much as Biden, But that't just me.

DosEquis · 11-06-2007, 12:46 PM

Considering the other candidates and what they bring to the table... I won't hold it against him for over apologizing. He apologized for words he lifted to use in a speach and not crediting the person who originally said it...thus implying he came up with it on his own.

Look at the other candidates and check out their faults. Whether its Rudy being divorced 3 times, Hillary waffling positions every 5 minutes, or Kucinich seeing UFO's... i'll take a guy who admits mistakes. His only fault is that he may rush to judgement when politically pressured or presented with incorrect information... such as Iraq.

6SpeedTA95 · 11-06-2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Considering the other candidates and what they bring to the table... I won't hold it against him for over apologizing. He apologized for words he lifted to use in a speach and not crediting the person who originally said it...thus implying he came up with it on his own.

Look at the other candidates and check out their faults. Whether its Rudy being divorced 3 times, Hillary waffling positions every 5 minutes, or Kucinich seeing UFO's... i'll take a guy who admits mistakes. His only fault is that he may rush to judgement when politically pressured or presented with incorrect information... such as Iraq.

Thats exactly right, everyone is going to have faults. His seem to be far less problematic than others and he apologizes if he's wrong.

Joe_Cool · 11-12-2007, 08:25 PM

The first thing I thought when I read the thread title was "Bill Richardson".

He's the only democrat running who could get my vote. He's got experience, and he can attract republican voters (like me).

6SpeedTA95 · 11-13-2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

The first thing I thought when I read the thread title was "Bill Richardson".

He's the only democrat running who could get my vote. He's got experience, and he can attract republican voters (like me).

I could also vote for Richardson.

Joe_Cool · 11-13-2007, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I could also vote for Richardson.

See? They're idiots for not really pushing him.

Rouger2 · 11-13-2007, 05:20 PM

With Biden you would have someone who would finally stand up for the working man how long has it been since we have had anyone who cared about us. His foreign policy stances seem thoughtful and he would understand what he was doing and not be led around by the nose by the sly dogs.

Roonie · 11-13-2007, 05:32 PM

Biden and Richardson are both good. I like Biden personally but don't think he will make it far unfortunately.

garbagemanlb · 11-13-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

See? They're idiots for not really pushing him.

The problem is he is terrible at debates. He has been my first choice for a while now.

motivez · 11-14-2007, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

The problem is he is terrible at debates. He has been my first choice for a while now.

Yeah, he's really really bad at the debates.. and America wont give him a pass like they did with Bush

JaJae · 11-14-2007, 05:50 PM

Bush never got a pass at debates.

motivez · 11-14-2007, 05:59 PM

The entire media fell in love with the narrative of him as an "average Joe" and didn't care about his inability to be articulate.. at least not to the level that they would for someone like Richardson

There's a great comic that illustrated the point, let me see if I can find it...

motivez · 11-14-2007, 06:02 PM

Here it is:

Still gives me a good chuckle

JaJae · 11-14-2007, 06:13 PM

America mocked him and called him stupid. He wasn't given a pass, regardless of whatever comic you can find. He won the election despite poor debate performances not because of charisma, but because America didn't want to vote for Kerry.

motivez · 11-14-2007, 06:21 PM

America voted him into office once and got damn close to doing so the first time around (popular vote)

He was called stupid by many people, sure, but he was also given a pass for it by the media and the Republican party and those who voted for him..

You can disagree, but my point is that Bush's case was unique, Richardson's poor performance in the debates limits him from being successful despite his impressive resume

If another candidate came along that sounded borderline retarded, they'd have no shot. Bush was supposed to be an "average joe" who didn't have to be articulate to get things done, the other candidates are not..

JaJae · 11-14-2007, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

America voted him into office once and got damn close to doing so the first time around (popular vote)

He was called stupid by many people, sure, but he was also given a pass for it by the media and the Republican party and those who voted for him..

You can disagree, but my point is that Bush's case was unique, Richardson's poor performance in the debates limits him from being successful despite his impressive resume

If another candidate came along that sounded borderline retarded, they'd have no shot. Bush was supposed to be an "average joe" who didn't have to be articulate to get things done, the other candidates are not..

The media didn't give him a pass for it. A few comics don't outweigh the thousands that make fun of him. Bush wasn't a unique case because he wasn't given a pass. People were willing to vote for him despite it because of who he was running against. That doesn't mean he was given a pass though.

motivez · 11-14-2007, 07:01 PM

Like I said, you're free to disagree.

Joe_Cool · 11-14-2007, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Here it is:

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Still gives me a good chuckle

Thinking comics are factual FTL

I bet you're going to cite a George Carlin routine next.