Suck my dick, I'm Kurt Cobain

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Bah, you liked him because you thought he was dreamy. admit it.

Yes they were popular but they were not dominant on the charts. Yes they had hits but so did other bands. Pearl Jam, U2, Soundgarden, etc... all were on the charts just as often as Nirvana.


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so you were a senior in HS when he died. I'm only 2 years younger than you. are you seriously saying your school didn't come to a standstill (unless you were in some preppity uppity up school, which there are plenty in mass I'm sure). dude. seriously, i wasn't that big of a fan. never owned any tshirts. mostly a radio listener back then anyway. i didn't even get my first cd until I turned 16!

i think i thought he was kindof too reserved anyway, i was always a louder in your face type of person.

regardless, he had much more of an effect on music than you're admitting.

[Roonie]

You guys are whack...........

Nirvana was the shit and still is in a lot of ways. They are one of the best bands in rock history. I saw them live several times at some local bars in Seattle and they absolutely rocked the house. I was into their previous record Bleach before they came out with the hit for the masses "smells like teen spirit". They were a refreshing new sound coming mostly from crap at that time. To this day when I listen to their songs and it gives me the fuzzy teddy bear feel good feelings because they still rock the house. For all the haters out their stick to your American Idol top 40 crap.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

so you were a senior in HS when he died. I'm only 2 years younger than you. are you seriously saying your school didn't come to a standstill (unless you were in some preppity uppity up school, which there are plenty in mass I'm sure). dude. seriously, i wasn't that big of a fan. never owned any tshirts. mostly a radio listener back then anyway. i didn't even get my first cd until I turned 16!

i think i thought he was kindof too reserved anyway, i was always a louder in your face type of person.

regardless, he had much more of an effect on music than you're admitting.

I graduated HS in 1996. If he died in the spring of 1994 that would have made me a Junior?
Anyway.. School didn't come to a halt or anything but most of the girls that I knew were really upset and cried and stuff. But I don't think that Nirvana was the best thing since sliced bread. I understand that I am in the minority opinion here, but that's how I feel.
Thier music was catchy, it was typical of the period, but Cobain had a terrible screetchy voice, thier music was simple and not very impressive. Every kid that learned to play guitar figured out teen spirit first on thier own without tabs. It was what 4 cords played repeatedly for the whole song? That's typical of what thier music was. It was simple, catchy, pop stuff that would play to an MTV audience.

Yes I did go to a preppy school
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[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Roonie

You guys are whack...........

Nirvana was the shit and still is in a lot of ways. They are one of the best bands in rock history. I saw them live several times at some local bars in Seattle and they absolutely rocked the house. I was into their previous record Bleach before they came out with the hit for the masses "smells like teen spirit". They were a refreshing new sound coming mostly from crap at that time. To this day when I listen to their songs and it gives me the fuzzy teddy bear feel good feelings because they still rock the house. For all the haters out their stick to your American Idol top 40 crap.

Nirvana was Top 40 stuff in the 1990's.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I graduated HS in 1996. If he died in the spring of 1994 that would have made me a Junior?
Anyway.. School didn't come to a halt or anything but most of the girls that I knew were really upset and cried and stuff. But I don't think that Nirvana was the best thing since sliced bread. I understand that I am in the minority opinion here, but that's how I feel.
Thier music was catchy, it was typical of the period, but Cobain had a terrible screetchy voice, thier music was simple and not very impressive. Every kid that learned to play guitar figured out teen spirit first on thier own without tabs. It was what 4 cords played repeatedly for the whole song? That's typical of what thier music was. It was simple, catchy, pop stuff that would play to an MTV audience.

Yes I did go to a preppy school
Welcome to St John's Preparatory School

pop? did you seriously just say nirvana was pop? alright, that voids your musical opinion right now.

and the people that were crying and all upset about it were mostly guys in my school.

and i'm 28, graduated in '97. sorry to assume you who are 2 yrs older than I might have been 2 years ahead of me in HS. my bad.

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

pop? did you seriously just say nirvana was pop? alright, that voids your musical opinion right now.

Yep he did say that and now all validity he ever had is gone when it comes to music.

[avsp]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Eh, I dunno. Yes he was part of the grunge movement, but he wasn't the movement all on his own. There were plenty of other big groups like Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Alice in Chains, etc. Pearl Jam was just as popular, and IMO had better music, were more talented but Eddie Veder isn't as famous as Cobain... probably because Cobain blew his own head off with a shotgun, not because he was so much better than anyone else of the time.

your arguement would have greatewr validity if the cited other groups werent uniformly utterly shite, ..., they're not remembered for that reason

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

regardless, he had much more of an effect on music than you're admitting.

Nirvans effect on music was minimal, their effect on their generation is immense.
Although they popularised the stop/start loud/quiet fingies they were really just feeding off the trend last previously 'discovered' by the Pixies
His love & knowledge of even earlier obscure punk stuff is respected over here. They wrote good songs & were decent performers

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I graduated HS in 1996. If he died in the spring of 1994 that would have made me a Junior?
Anyway.. School didn't come to a halt or anything but most of the girls that I knew were really upset and cried and stuff. But I don't think that Nirvana was the best thing since sliced bread. I understand that I am in the minority opinion here, but that's how I feel.
Thier music was catchy, it was typical of the period, but Cobain had a terrible screetchy voice, thier music was simple and not very impressive. Every kid that learned to play guitar figured out teen spirit first on thier own without tabs. It was what 4 cords played repeatedly for the whole song? That's typical of what thier music was. It was simple, catchy, pop stuff that would play to an MTV audience.

Yes I did go to a preppy school
Welcome to St John's Preparatory School

Part of his skill/appeal was playing to his weaknesses such as his screetchy voice
You seem to be saying that simple =! impressive, ..., if so, its so clearly both wrong & irrelevant anyway that it almost precludes you from being allowed to expess a view. The fact that beginnerschose to work out the song for themselves is what matters not the fact that they could

[WickedLou9]

Pshh. You guys don't like my taste because you are slaves to the main stream MTV music machine.
While you were watching MTV I was at the FNX music series on Landsdown street watching Catherine Wheel, Gravel Pit, The Bosstones, Machinery Hall, and some bands you have probably never heard of. I was at the GreenDay Concert at the Hatch Shell that had to be shut down with tear gas.
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[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by avsp

your arguement would have greatewr validity if the cited other groups werent uniformly utterly shite, ..., they're not remembered for that reason


Nirvans effect on music was minimal, their effect on their generation is immense.
Although they popularised the stop/start loud/quiet fingies they were really just feeding off the trend last previously 'discovered' by the Pixies
His love & knowledge of even earlier obscure punk stuff is respected over here. They wrote good songs & were decent performers


Part of his skill/appeal was playing to his weaknesses such as his screetchy voice
You seem to be saying that simple =! impressive, ..., if so, its so clearly both wrong & irrelevant anyway that it almost precludes you from being allowed to expess a view. The fact that beginnerschose to work out the song for themselves is what matters not the fact that they could

not only was Teen Spirit unimpressive technically, but it's central riff was almost completely ripped off from the song of "Louie Louie" .

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Pshh. You guys don't like my taste because you are slaves to the main stream MTV music machine.
While you were watching MTV I was at the FNX music series on Landsdown street watching Catherine Wheel, Gravel Pit, The Bosstones, Machinery Hall, and some bands you have probably never heard of. I was at the GreenDay Concert at the Hatch Shell that had to be shut down with tear gas.
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and while you were doing that, i was ignoring those shitty TV stations and listening to mixed cassette tapes of Black Flag, the Misfits, and the Adolescents instead. my first *real* cd was London Calling.

i win

[Publius]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

Wow, hatin' on a guy that's been dead for more than a decade? What did Kurt do lately to you to deserve being hated on right now? Decay a little more?

Hate to break it to ya, Pub, but KC was a tad famous when he was alive, too.

Why did you address this post to me? I didn't say anything about Cobain being overrated. I liked Nirvana.

[avsp]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

not only was Teen Spirit unimpressive technically, but it's central riff was almost completely ripped off from the song of "Louie Louie" .

just goes to show how very good it was then, ..., DOESNT IT?

nirvana did write many pop soings tho'

the fetishisation of technicgue is what deadens the spirt of pop (& indeed rock), ..., i'm old enough to remember the awful awful days of prog & pomp rock, ..., i can see such horrors returning even now

despite i & my friends having dedicated much of our lives over the last 30 years in an attempt to expunge such musicks from the collective memory of the British people i look upon our incomplete work & am saddened

its to your credit that today i feel renewed, refreshed, reinvigorated with the firey zeal that sustained us in the early days, ..., JON LORD THERE IS NO HIDING PLACE, ..., WE WILL FIND YOU

right i'm off to make phone calls, ..., no longer will i accept excuses about little johnnys homework etc, ..., for little johnny must be spared the horrors of rock/orchestra collaborations & the like

[avsp]

Originally Posted by jimeigh

and while you were doing that, i was ignoring those shitty TV stations and listening to mixed cassette tapes of Black Flag, the Misfits, and the Adolescents instead. my first *real* cd was London Calling.

i win

before you were born, (probably), I was bunking off sport on a wednesday afternoon & hanging around central london listening to bands rehearse in collapsing buildings in Denmark Street, ..., are you sure you've 'won'?

either way i listened to John Peel's radio show, ..., so i really do know what i'm talking about, ..., not that others, neccessarily, dont etc

btw Kurt was a junkie & as such was a stupid f*cking bast*rd

[Roonie]

I was in a band around the time of Cobain's death. We were playing in most of the same clubs he had before he was famous. We were well known in our area and well liked with average show attendance around 200 +. Looking back on our music I can say it sucked. Nothing unique or unusual about it. We were a product of the times. We made 2 albums before we all called it quits. We opened for some famous names but no need to name them as I said before our music sucks in retrospect. Time tells all and Nirvana still doesn't suck.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Roonie

I was in a band around the time of Cobain's death. We were playing in most of the same clubs he had before he was famous. We were well known in our area and well liked with average show attendance around 200 +. Looking back on our music I can say it sucked. Nothing unique or unusual about it. We were a product of the times. We made 2 albums before we all called it quits. We opened for some famous names but no need to name them as I said before our music sucks in retrospect. Time tells all and Nirvana still doesn't suck.

I am not saying that they suck. I liked thier music. I enjoyed Teen Spirit just like everyone else. I just don't think that Cobain was the 2nd coming like everyone else seems to think. He wasn't special. He was less talented than many of his peers. Chris Cornell was ten times the vocalist that Cobain was. Of course he wasn't pretty like Cobain was. Chris Cornell is still singing today and I think that speaks to his ability. He never gets recognized for how good he is. He was a founding member of Temple of the Dog with Eddie veder, he was front man for Sound Garden, and he is now signing for Audio Slave. Had Cobain not offed himself, he would have sunk slowly into obscurity just like the rest of the 90's grunge bands.

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Had Cobain not offed himself, he would have sunk slowly into obscurity just like the rest of the 90's grunge bands.

bullshit is all I have to say about that......

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by avsp

before you were born, (probably), I was bunking off sport on a wednesday afternoon & hanging around central london listening to bands rehearse in collapsing buildings in Denmark Street, ..., are you sure you've 'won'?

yes, because you're old, which means you're likely to die sooner than i.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Pshh. You guys don't like my taste because you are slaves to the main stream MTV music machine.
While you were watching MTV I was at the FNX music series on Landsdown street watching Catherine Wheel, Gravel Pit, The Bosstones, Machinery Hall, and some bands you have probably never heard of. I was at the GreenDay Concert at the Hatch Shell that had to be shut down with tear gas.
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i sat on Dickie Barrett's lap in '97. i have a pic, but i'm not gonna show you.

and i met Adam Sandler then too. got another pic, but ...... yeah.

[jimeigh]

i saw Social Distortion live in vegas