Originally Posted by WickedLou9 That's totally ridiculous. He an average guitar player. I don't care what some suicidal ass clown with nose piercings things. 12th best is like an insult to great guitar players all over the world. They rated him higher than Frank Zappa and Eddie Van Halen? I'm ...
11-19-2007, 10:35 PM
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 I'll go a step further and say I am sure he does not belong on that list. 
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11-19-2007, 10:39 PM
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| I note that Cobain and George Harrison appear on that list, while Steve Vai and Joe Satriani do not. | ||||
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11-20-2007, 12:56 AM
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Yes. You know more than Rolling Stone about guitar players. Ok.
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11-20-2007, 02:54 AM
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| Originally Posted by thomez If rolling stone thinks kurt cobain is the 12th greatest guitarist of all time, then I'd say it's absolutely certain that Lou knows more about guitarists than rolling stone.
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11-20-2007, 05:22 AM
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK
| Originally Posted by thomez my cat knows more about guitar players than Rolling Stone
the very fact that there is a list or that ppl wish to cite it is totally objectionable & contrary to the very spirit of rock & roll, ..., & is all too typical of Rolling Stone in particular & music journalists in general ppl referencing any such list clearly have no comprehension or appreciation of the art form anyway & as such shouldnt be allowed to express any opinions on anything at all ever, ..., even in private & either way Cobain is a much better player than the likes of Vai & Satriani precisely because he didnt indulge in the guitar-wankery that they seem to think is in some way pleaseing BTW I dont have a cat | ||||
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11-20-2007, 12:29 PM
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| Originally Posted by avsp
 Cobain knew how to strum. That's it. He had no talent. He didn't "refuse to indulge". He didn't have the skill to do what they do.I'm a better basketball player than Michael Jordan precisely because I don't indulge in basketball-wankery that he seems to think is in some way pleasing. | ||||
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11-20-2007, 12:51 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool How many albums has your band sold again?
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11-20-2007, 01:49 PM
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| This is a much better list. Best Guitar Players - Steve Morse, Eric Johnson, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Jeff Beck, Gary Moore, Eric Clapton, Derek Trucks, Johnny Hiland, Pat Metheny, Pat Martino, John Schofield Black Belt Guitar Players I was actually talking to my friend who is a decent player and he described Cobain as sloppy. Just simple chord progressions. Last edited by WickedLou9; 11-20-2007 at 01:55 PM. | ||||
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11-20-2007, 01:56 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez Nothing to do with anything. How many albums have YOU sold? How many albums have the authors who compiled that list sold?
How many albums did Flock of Seagulls sell? You might as well ask how many times they mow thier lawn. | ||||
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11-20-2007, 02:11 PM
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| Here is a forum for guitar players talking about most overrated players.. Cobain comes up over and over. Most of them don't even understand why you would bring him up when talking about great players. most OVER rated guitar player @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com Forum | ||||
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11-20-2007, 02:54 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 If you're going to claim that someone who was so successful has no talent and expect to be taken seriously, you should at least have some credibility on the issue by being successful yourself in that area
The bottom line is that people can either like or not like the music, but personal taste in music is different than a critique or criticism that tries to speak as some sort of industry expert in various areas.. | ||||
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11-20-2007, 02:55 PM
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
that listit has everyone on the "best" list that was mentioned earlier......sounds like a bunch of jealous guys to me | ||||
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11-20-2007, 02:58 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez A quote from that website
^well they say nirvana changed the world of music, since Kurt was one of the guirtarists as well as the frontman that sums it up he could have been average (I don't think he was fantastic) but since nirvana did hit it big with a lot of people he (IMO) gets too much credit for his playing ability. and yes, I just bashed that website and then went back to it for a reference... I roll like that  | ||||
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11-20-2007, 03:04 PM
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| regardless if he was or wasn't one of the greatest guitarists or regardless if Nirvana was or wasn't one of the best bands of all time, Nirvana and KC were influential.
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11-20-2007, 03:20 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez Thats totally ridiculous. I don't have to be a great guitar player to recognize one when I see one, or to recognize a marginal one either. I don't have to be a writer to recognize a good story or a bad one. I don't have to be an artist to be able to distinguish a Monet from a cheap motel piece of framed garbage. There is no merit what so ever in what you just asserted.
With that being said, I am not saying that he was not talented. Go back and read my posts. You are confused. He was talented and I already said that.... at writing music. Not at playing the guitar. Yes the band was popular but I think we have already established that popularity isn't really a measure of anything other than marketability. I also never said that I didn't like thier music. I did. I just don't think that he was all that talented of a singer / guitar player. People give him credit for things that he was not. No one would argue that Bob Dylan was one of the best artists of his era, but he was a rubbish vocalist. No one would ever put him on a list of top 100 vocalists. And I don't need to be an opera singer to say that either. | ||||
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11-20-2007, 03:23 PM
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| Originally Posted by Linzyhop Most definately. I just don't like it when people try to attribute things to Cobain that weren't true. Those people are just sack riders that want to think Cobain walks on water. Let's not forget that he was a drug addict who fatherd a child and then blew his own head off leaving the kid in the 'care' of Courtney Love. Yes he was an innovative artist and song writer. Yes his music was influential. Why do people have to go attributing things to him that simply weren't true?
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11-20-2007, 03:47 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 No, you don't need to be one.. and that's why you say "My opinion about this [story/song/person/art/whatever] is, ..."
That's different than trying to state something like you're THE source people should take seriously, some leading expert, which is what some people seem to have been trying to do. As far as whether or not he was one of the greatest guitarists, I think it depends on a more narrow definition. There's a difference between being able to play amazing solos and being able to make music come out of the guitar that can speak to a generation of people  I'm not sure he was the former, I am sure he is the latter.. what criteria are you using? | ||||
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11-20-2007, 03:57 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez Oh come on........this couldn't be more disingenuous. Everyone is stating opinion and we all know it. There's no "best guitarist" any more than there's a "best painting" or "prettiest woman."
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11-20-2007, 04:03 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina
| That's how I read some of the stuff being posted That's actually how most discussions I've ever been in about whether or not some band is any good go  One person likes them, another person doesn't, and the second person spends way too much time trying to convince everyone that his opinion is correct because his musical tastes are the only ones that matter | ||||
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11-20-2007, 04:07 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez Cobain was popular, that doesn't mean he was good...that's my opinion.
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