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Old 12-20-2007, 08:43 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Why should the government regulate the pharmaceutical industry then?

Conservatives don't like a nanny state, but they don't like total anarchy either.
Why do you care what people put into their own bodies? Talk about big government...
 
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:18 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by garbagemanlb View Post
Why do you care what people put into their own bodies? Talk about big government...
Trust me, if that was all doing drugs was about, then I would have NO problem with it. Unfortunately that's not the case.
 
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:19 PM   #123
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What else is it about then?
 
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:23 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
What else is it about then?
I guess he means the crime and poverty that are a result of it

But that could be a result of it being criminalize - just like when alcohol was illegal and crime soared
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:29 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by David Octavius View Post
I guess he means the crime and poverty that are a result of it

But that could be a result of it being criminalize - just like when alcohol was illegal and crime soared
Except you can be addicted to alcohol and still function (except in extreme cases)...

...have you heard of ANYONE that is addicted to drugs and can live a normal life?

Even if it was regulated 1) one still has to purchase it 2) one still has to have funds to purchase it 3) one (when addicted) will do what it takes to get it

Those are just facts that come along with it. Alcohol can be seen in the exact same way. A couple other facts go along with it...if society deems it legal, they not only give their stamp of approval to take the stuff, they are also giving their stamp of approval on things that literally fuck you up.

This isn't something to be taken as lightly as 'eating greasy foods' or 'drinking alcohol'. It's just not the same, and everywhere here knows it. It fucks up the person taking it and those around them on a regular basis.

Look how many people die every year from some else's drunkenness...now image how much more severe it would be if everyone was fucked up on drugs.

This isn't your occasionl crackhead, this is everyone around you using drugs, because they are legal and fun and easy to get.

And dont' use that argumetn that 'poeple are stupid if they choose to do them even if they are legal'. That argument doesn't work with eating the wrong things, it doesn't work with alcohol or cigarettes, and it won't work with drugs.
 
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:35 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Except you can be addicted to alcohol and still function (except in extreme cases)...

...have you heard of ANYONE that is addicted to drugs and can live a normal life?
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But that still doesn't matter, because you shouldn't punish responsible people because of the actions of irresponsible people. I feel the same way in relation to guns.

Guns, drugs, sex... those things are really similar in some respects.
 
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:18 PM   #128
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Addicted?! I don't think so...

My best bud was addicted to crack...he could barely speak.

I don't think you've ever experienced someone truly addicted to drugs.
 
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:19 PM   #129
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Originally Posted by Ardentfrost View Post
But that still doesn't matter, because you shouldn't punish responsible people because of the actions of irresponsible people. I feel the same way in relation to guns.

Guns, drugs, sex... those things are really similar in some respects.
In some, but not all.
 
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:27 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Addicted?! I don't think so...

My best bud was addicted to crack...he could barely speak.

I don't think you've ever experienced someone truly addicted to drugs.
I never thought people could become addicted to Marijuana, but I knew this guy at the sheet metal shop I used to work at who claimed he really needed marijuana otherwise he "got shaky." I'm guessing he had a mental addiction to it, but either way, it was an addiction.

He functioned.
 
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Originally Posted by Ardentfrost View Post
I never thought people could become addicted to Marijuana, but I knew this guy at the sheet metal shop I used to work at who claimed he really needed marijuana otherwise he "got shaky." I'm guessing he had a mental addiction to it, but either way, it was an addiction.

He functioned.
Oh! You're right! Heroin and crack should be legal too then!
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Oh! You're right! Heroin and crack should be legal too then!
I know a group of doctors who have a cocaine party every Christmas. Should their responsible use of the drug be restricted because there are people who can't stop themselves?

Responsible use of all drugs is prevalent. Of course, those are not the people we hear about... them being responsible and all.
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Oh! You're right! Heroin and crack should be legal too then!
People make bad decisions all the time, why should we have a nanny state where the government plays the role of a parent telling people not to do stuff for drugs but not other substances?

Either you think the government should be telling people what to do in their personal lives, or you don't.

It's like with universal health care, one of the arguments is that people who are responsible about their health will have to pay for those who aren't.. same thing here, the government bailing people out who make bad decisions through the legislative process.
 
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