water in atlanta.....someone's always gotta be a bitch - Page 2

Roonie · 11-15-2007, 10:54 AM

The city is partly to blame on this story. I saw they approved when he built the place an upgraded water line. Most homes have 3/4" water line going to their home. This guy asked the city if he could put in a 2" water line to his house and they said sure. What do you think someone is going to do with a 2" water line = use a lot more water than the average household.

The other question is are they sure this guy doesn't have a leak in his water line somewhere? I had a leak in my main and it created figures like they are talking about. Normal water bill around $100 but when I got the leak it was around $700. This guy's water bill is $3000.

7960 · 11-15-2007, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Roonie

The other question is are they sure this guy doesn't have a leak....

They suspect he's illegally watering his lawn but they can't prove it. He's also only using 15% more than last year at this same time so if he's got a leak it's been that way for a year.

AVengeance · 11-15-2007, 11:31 AM

I think kicking some ass is going to time better spent than a prayer service.

Ardentfrost · 11-15-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Roonie

The city is partly to blame on this story. I saw they approved when he built the place an upgraded water line. Most homes have 3/4" water line going to their home. This guy asked the city if he could put in a 2" water line to his house and they said sure. What do you think someone is going to do with a 2" water line = use a lot more water than the average household.

It's easy to get approval for that kinda shit when we're not in crisis though. Then you look back and you're like "Damn, probably shouldn't have done that."

11-15-2007, 02:38 PM

Are you sure its not the environmentalist that have kept them from expanding their water resources? To blame this on republicans and/or incenuate that they're standing in the way and should no longer laugh at the environmentalist is a little odd. I know around here they've had an awful time dreging (did I spell that right?) our lakes because it "disturbs the fish population" according to PETA. The result is water capacity for my town that is 30% down from where it was just 27 years ago.

The same thing has happened on a larger scale in Oklahoma City. Seems like environmentalist are standing in the way of increased access to water, at least in the cases I'm familiar with

Ardentfrost · 11-15-2007, 02:59 PM

To get us more access to more water, the governors of GA, FL, and I think AL had to all go to Washington DC recently and talk about if we could reduce the amount of water Atlanta sends from Lake Lanier downstream, which we were forced to do because of fresh water muscles that would be effected if we didn't (supposedly).

We were given permission to reduce the amount of water we send downstream. It is projected that'll get us to spring, which is generally our rainy season.

11-15-2007, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

To get us more access to more water, the governors of GA, FL, and I think AL had to all go to Washington DC recently and talk about if we could reduce the amount of water Atlanta sends from Lake Lanier downstream, which we were forced to do because of fresh water muscles that would be effected if we didn't (supposedly).

We were given permission to reduce the amount of water we send downstream. It is projected that'll get us to spring, which is generally our rainy season.

They could also dredge the lakes/resivoirs and greatly increase capacity (unless its been done recently)

Ardentfrost · 11-15-2007, 04:59 PM

What would increased capacity do for us when we can't fill the capacity we have?

7960 · 11-15-2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

They could also dredge the lakes/resivoirs and greatly increase capacity (unless its been done recently)

the reservoir is 17' down......digging it deeper is just going to make it more than 17' down.

WickedLou9 · 11-15-2007, 05:33 PM

Yeah I don't think you can blame lack of rain on any political party. UNless you want to say something like..
"The immoral liberals have clearly angered God and this is our punishment! REPENT!"

11-16-2007, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

the reservoir is 17' down......digging it deeper is just going to make it more than 17' down.

Come on guys,

If you have MORE capacity to begin with it takes LONGER to deplete your reserves. In some cases a 30% increase in capacity can result in more than a 30% increase in autonomy because it gives them substantially more leeway when dealing with water runoff and meeting downstream requirements.

JaJae · 11-16-2007, 12:22 AM

They released the guy's name and address to the public?

7960 · 11-16-2007, 12:41 AM

name, not exact address but it's not hard to figure out

Ardentfrost · 11-16-2007, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Come on guys,

If you have MORE capacity to begin with it takes LONGER to deplete your reserves. In some cases a 30% increase in capacity can result in more than a 30% increase in autonomy because it gives them substantially more leeway when dealing with water runoff and meeting downstream requirements.

Yeah, that's good for FUTURE droughts, but does nothing for right now.

WickedLou9 · 11-16-2007, 09:51 AM

Were the existing reseviors ever over capacity and dumping water? I mean if they dredge them will they just have reseviors that are 30% less full at any given time?

7960 · 11-16-2007, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Were the existing reseviors ever over capacity and dumping water? I mean if they dredge them will they just have reseviors that are 30% less full at any given time?

I don't know about down there, but when our reservoir overflows it overflows into another reservoir, and then another one. So when the town report says "the reservoir is 2' down" they're talking about the first one.......there are two more to go that are at capacity. The first one can be something like 5' down before people start to talk about rationing and the first one is something like 9' down before they start taking measures involving the second reservoir.

Ardentfrost · 11-16-2007, 10:24 AM

Well, there are multiple sources of water here, but the lake they're talking about under normal conditions just excesses into a river that flows down to Florida. *Normal* means that lake and river is at *normal* level. Because of environmental law, until recently there was a minimum flow that had to be directed down the river. That flow was recently reduced because of the current drought.

10-20 years ago, we also pulled a good deal of water from the ground. However, due to lax environmental concerns at that time, a lot of those had to be closed for health concerns. They have been talking about cleaning those up and getting more water from those sources again, but of course it takes time to clean them up.

11-16-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Yeah, that's good for FUTURE droughts, but does nothing for right now.

Yeah but thats the problem, these environmentalist have kept us from expanding our water resources have they done the same in Georgia?

Also, if you make the lakes hold 30% more water it will obviously take longer to fill them but they can eventually fill up. They dump excess water down stream typically to other resevoirs and if its really full the corps will continue to push it all the way downstream. So you wouldn't just have a resevoir that was always at 70%. You'd block in water, it would take a little time to fill them perhaps one or two years worth of good spring rainfall. Also keep in mind that generally these resevoirs lose 1 to 2% of their capacity a year if no maintenance is done depending on the water and soil composition.

11-16-2007, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I don't know about down there, but when our reservoir overflows it overflows into another reservoir, and then another one. So when the town report says "the reservoir is 2' down" they're talking about the first one.......there are two more to go that are at capacity. The first one can be something like 5' down before people start to talk about rationing and the first one is something like 9' down before they start taking measures involving the second reservoir.

Thats pretty much it. They release water down rivers/streams to other resevoirs. Once you reach capacity you simply open the taps to fill up the downstream resevoirs. If/when they all get full then you're dumping into a primary river or the GOM/Atlantic/Pacific.

Ardentfrost · 11-16-2007, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Yeah but thats the problem, these environmentalist have kept us from expanding our water resources have they done the same in Georgia?

Also, if you make the lakes hold 30% more water it will obviously take longer to fill them but they can eventually fill up. They dump excess water down stream typically to other resevoirs and if its really full the corps will continue to push it all the way downstream. So you wouldn't just have a resevoir that was always at 70%. You'd block in water, it would take a little time to fill them perhaps one or two years worth of good spring rainfall. Also keep in mind that generally these resevoirs lose 1 to 2% of their capacity a year if no maintenance is done depending on the water and soil composition.

I certainly agree it's a good idea to try to maximize capacity when it comes to this sort of thing which would prevent future problems... but again, people aren't thing about 15 years from now right now, they're just thinking about right now