Anti-Romney, anti-Mormon calls being made in Iowa

[Roonie]

Some info.......

Historically, only until recently have Mormons wanted to be called Christians, preferring not to be included with Christian denominations, which Joseph Smith said were, "all wrong ... all their creeds were an admonition in his sight, and that those professors (Christians) were all corrupt" (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith, 2:18-19).
Mormons have preferred to be called "saints"; however, in the recent years the LDS church has spent millions in an intense "PR" campaign aimed at moving the church into the mainstream of Christianity. The political and economic benefits of Mormons being included in the mainstream of Christianity are obvious. Further, for Mormons to be accepted as traditional Christians would greatly aid in proselytizing the members of Christian denominations into the LDS church. This is why the LDS church is trying so hard to present itself as Christian and is trying to overcome the stigma of being a cult.

[Roonie]

some more info.

The name Christian was first used, as Acts 11:26 records, to identify the disciples of Jesus Christ. The word "Christian" is the Greek word "christianos," and it means an adherent of Jesus Christ. It literally means "Christ ones" (Acts 11:26, 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16). The correct definition of the word is one who is a follower of the Jesus Christ of the Bible. For almost two thousand years it has never had a reference to anyone other that the historical Jesus Christ of the New Testament.

Mormons do not follow or believe in the historic Jesus Christ of the Bible, but rather in a difference Jesus. This is why most Biblical Christians emphatically insist that Mormons are not Christians.

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

They made up a bunch of stuff that isn't in the Bible, wrote their own supplimentary holy book (like the Muslims).

Didn't Christians do that as well?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Roonie

Mormons do not follow or believe in the historic Jesus Christ of the Bible, but rather in a difference Jesus. This is why most Biblical Christians emphatically insist that Mormons are not Christians.

Wow, I never heard that before.

What other jesus do they believe in?

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Wow, I never heard that before.

What other jesus do they believe in?

Here is some information........

The god of the Mormons is not the God of the Bible. To the Mormons, Jesus is the firstborn son of an exalted "man" who became the god of this world. The man-god of Mormonism was made the god of this world because of his good works on another planet somewhere out in the universe. He "earned" godhood, and was thus appointed by a counsel of gods in the heavens to his high position as the god of planet Earth. The Mormon god of this world was a man, like all men, who became a god. This is what the celestial marriage and the temple vows are all about. LDS men, by doing their temple work, are striving for exaltation by which they, too, shall one day become gods. Their wives will be the mother goddesses of "their" world and with their husband will produce the population of their world. This is the Mormon doctrine of "eternal progression."

The Mormon Jesus is the son of this man-god. The Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer, and according to LDS teaching, he married several of the Marys of the New Testament. He is not, to the LDS church, "God incarnate" as the Bible plainly states. Clearly, the Mormon god and Jesus are not the true.

Mormons teach that Jesus Christ suffered for sin in the Garden of Gethsemane when He sweat "as it were" great drops of blood. Mormons totally avoid the Biblical teaching of Christ's atonement for sin which was accomplished on the Cross.

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by Roonie

Here is some information........

Well if what you say is true I would say they are not Christians, after all Christ is Jesus. What would you call them then just protestants because they are pretty much in the same neighborhood as Christians.

[Roonie]

Protestants are Christians and very similar to Catholics except they believe in the doctrines of the reformation as the main difference. They still hold the essential doctrines of Christianity to be true.

The doctrines of the Reformation can be summarized as a) the rejection of papal authority, b) rejection of some fundamental Roman Catholic doctrines, c) the priesthood of all believers, d) the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth, and e) the belief in justification by faith alone.[2][3]

Mormons are a different religion all together. They are called Mormons or Church of the Latter Day Saints. As stated earlier some see them as a cult.

[Linzyhop]

its the same jesus, they just believe he did things differently than others.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Roonie

Here is some information........

Sorry. I'm calling BS on most of your information here. I would love to see where you are copy/pasting this from. I have been to LDS "Church's" and they have pictures of Jesus hanging from the walls and the Bishop came in carrying in a bible.

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Didn't Christians do that as well?

The Christians do not adhere to a book supplimentary to the Bible, although Catholics do have more books in their Bible that Protestants think of as apocryphal (outside the canon).

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Sorry. I'm calling BS on most of your information here. I would love to see where you are copy/pasting this from. I have been to LDS "Church's" and they have pictures of Jesus hanging from the walls and the Bishop came in carrying in a bible.

We found ourselves a mormon.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Roonie

We found ourselves a mormon.

Where did you find this wehatemormans.org?

I'm not. But most of my wifes Hawaiian sides family is. So I have been around them, and their temples, quite often. I think you are more brain washed than they are

[WickedLou9]

The big deal is that alot of people DO think that mormons are a cult. They have some nutty beliefs. They are way out on the fringes of Christianity. So alot of people have a problem with the leader of thier country being in a religous cult.

I don't belileve these things, but that is why some might have issue with it.

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Where did you find this wehatemormans.org?

I'm not. But most of my wifes Hawaiian sides family is. So I have been around them, and their temples, quite often. I think you are more brain washed than they are

Ask your "wife's family" then if they believe in the essential doctrines (that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus). These are the mainframe of Christian faith and what defines a Christian.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Roonie

Ask your "wife's family" then if they believe in the essential doctrines (that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus). These are the mainframe of Christian faith and what defines a Christian.

They believe in everything the bible says. Then they have the book of Mormon that adds things and gives them their identity.

[Roonie]

A huge reason as well is Mormonism is a polytheistic religion (they believe there is more than one God). As such it has no connection theologically to Christianity. They may include the name of Jesus Christ in their theology, and even have inserted it into their name in an effort to appear more palatable to Christians, but their doctrinal beliefs about Jesus Christ are completely incompatible with Christianity. It takes more than "having beliefs about Christ" to be Christian.

I suggest you do some reading rather than a couple of LSD church meetings under your belt.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Roonie

A huge reason as well is Mormonism is a polytheistic religion (they believe there is more than one God). As such it has no connection theologically to Christianity. They may include the name of Jesus Christ in their theology, and even have inserted it into their name in an effort to appear more palatable to Christians, but their doctrinal beliefs about Jesus Christ are completely incompatible with Christianity. It takes more than "having beliefs about Christ" to be Christian.

I suggest you do some reading rather than a couple of LSD church meetings under your belt.

I think you meant LDS not LSD. Or maybe you really did mean LSD.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Roonie

A huge reason as well is Mormonism is a polytheistic religion (they believe there is more than one God). As such it has no connection theologically to Christianity. They may include the name of Jesus Christ in their theology, and even have inserted it into their name in an effort to appear more palatable to Christians, but their doctrinal beliefs about Jesus Christ are completely incompatible with Christianity. It takes more than "having beliefs about Christ" to be Christian.

I suggest you do some reading rather than a couple of LSD church meetings under your belt.

Strange how many Mormons go to bible classes at my Methodist Church. Seems if they don't believe in the bible they wouldn't be going to class.

You seem to think they put more weight on the book of Mormon then the Bible. That isn't the case. They teach from the bible. Just like all other Christian sects.


You have fallen into the fallacy head first Congrats to you.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Roonie

A huge reason as well is Mormonism is a polytheistic religion (they believe there is more than one God). As such it has no connection theologically to Christianity. They may include the name of Jesus Christ in their theology, and even have inserted it into their name in an effort to appear more palatable to Christians, but their doctrinal beliefs about Jesus Christ are completely incompatible with Christianity. It takes more than "having beliefs about Christ" to be Christian.

I suggest you do some reading rather than a couple of LSD church meetings under your belt.

Oh, and your nutty Baptist source and his "personal non-registered ministry" who you got the Mormon info from also says that Catholics aren't really Christians. Won't they be surprised

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Strange how many Mormons go to bible classes at my Methodist Church. Seems if they don't believe in the bible they wouldn't be going to class.

You seem to think they put more weight on the book of Mormon then the Bible. That isn't the case. They teach from the bible. Just like all other Christian sects.


You have fallen into the fallacy head first Congrats to you.

Mormons do believe in the Bible but they have also changed it for the better in their words. Mormons believe that the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible restored these changes and is a more correct version than any other. Mormons also believe in divine scripture in addition to the Bible. In the Mormon canon are the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. There have been many more prophets than we have record of their words. The inspired words of any and all prophets are believed to be the Word of God by Mormons.