Anti-Romney, anti-Mormon calls being made in Iowa

[Stylerod]

I am posting about this story but I have a different angle I need to ask.

Anti-Romney, anti-Mormon calls being made in Iowa

In an apparent push poll, a research firm has called Iowa Republicans this week praising John McCain and critcizing Mitt Romney and his Mormon faith.

An individual in Manchester, Iowa, contacted me on Wednesday night saying he received a call with information about McCain's military service and anti-spending record.

Then there were "lots of negatives on Romney," said the recepient of the call in an e-mail, including mentions of his "flip-flops," hiring illegal immigrants as landscapers and extensive discussion of Mormonism.

"Statements were on baptizing the dead, the Book of Mormon being on the level of the Bible, and one about equating it to a cult," said the Iowan, deeming them "common criticisms of Mormonism."

"I think they asked twice if being a Mormon would be an issue," this person added.

The person conducting the call said he didn't know who they were polling for, said the source.

Anti-Romney, anti-Mormon calls being made in Iowa - Jonathan Martin's Blog - Politico.com

Here is my question. It was a big deal when JFK won because he was Catholic. Now it's a big deal Romney is running because is is Mormon. Who cares? Most people in this nation are Christian, does it really matter what type of Christian? I'm thinking the average person doesn't care if the person running is Catholic, Methodist, Baptist or Mormon. But the press likes to throw it around to see what sticks.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I am posting about this story but I have a different angle I need to ask.




Here is my question. It was a big deal when JFK won because he was Catholic. Now it's a big deal Romney is running because is is Mormon. Who cares? Most people in this nation are Christian, does it really matter what type of Christian? I'm thinking the average person doesn't care if the person running is Catholic, Methodist, Baptist or Mormon. But the press likes to throw it around to see what sticks.

because the red states are so bible belt thumping baptist christians that they believe christians aren't christians unless they're baptists.

way to let the religious rite into politics.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Here is my question. It was a big deal when JFK won because he was Catholic. Now it's a big deal Romney is running because is is Mormon. Who cares? Most people in this nation are Christian, does it really matter what type of Christian?

To a lot of people, yes.

I'm thinking the average person doesn't care if the person running is Catholic, Methodist, Baptist or Mormon. But the press likes to throw it around to see what sticks.

But it's not the press who's making those calls, so apparently someone thinks it's a strategy that will work. And with the number of people who say they won't vote for romney for the sole reason that he's mormon I'd say they're not wasting their time.



BTW, he didn't hire illegal immigrants. He hired a company that hired illegals. Is he supposed to vet every employee of every company he hired?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

because the red states are so bible belt thumping baptist christians that they believe christians aren't christians unless they're baptists.

way to let the religious rite into politics.

Clinton is Baptist and he didn't win all the red states. So your view is completely wrong.

Care to give a more level headed less angry response?

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Clinton is Baptist and he didn't win all the red states. So your view is completely wrong.

Care to give a more level headed less angry response?

did the red states bitch about his religion? no.

it's not an angry response. it's the truth. if you're running for president and you're not baptist, in most cases your religion will be brought up and will be an issue.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by 7960

To a lot of people, yes.

But it's not the press who's making those calls, so apparently someone thinks it's a strategy that will work. And with the number of people who say they won't vote for romney for the sole reason that he's mormon I'd say they're not wasting their time.



BTW, he didn't hire illegal immigrants. He hired a company that hired illegals. Is he supposed to vet every employee of every company he hired?

But since the news keeps throwing out the fact that he is Mormon and is he electable because of it I think people might see a place to attack where one really doesn't exist. Or not as much as they would like to think.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

did the red states bitch about his religion? no.

Can a state bitch?

[7960]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

But since the news keeps throwing out the fact that he is Mormon and is he electable because of it I think people might see a place to attack where one really doesn't exist. Or not as much as they would like to think.

So they're not supposed to report that he's mormon?

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Can a state bitch?

collectively yes. when enough people say the same thing over and over and over.

are you really nitpicking on this because you're trying to take attention off the truth of what i'm saying?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by 7960

So they're not supposed to report that he's mormon?

If they want. But is it as big a deal as they make of it? I knew Clinton was a Baptist but I don't remember anyone making a big deal out of that. I have no idea what Bush is.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

collectively yes. when enough people say the same thing over and over and over.

are you really nitpicking on this because you're trying to take attention off the truth of what i'm saying?

That southern states will only vote Baptist? What kind of truth is that?

Kennedy won; NC, SC, GA, AL, LA, AR and TX. There is no truth in your statement. It was an off the cuff zing at Southern states because you don't know any better.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

That southern states will only vote Baptist? What kind of truth is that?

Kennedy won; NC, SC, GA, AL, LA, AR and TX. There is no truth in your statement. It was an off the cuff zing at Southern states because you don't know any better.

um. i'm technically from the south. I do know what i'm talking about. I'm not saying that the south -won't- vote for someone who's not baptist. I'm saying if you're not baptist, your religion will be made into an issue.

read the post the first time and stop putting words in my mouth.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

If they want. But is it as big a deal as they make of it?

It's circular......they report on it because people make a big deal of it. People make a big deal of it because the media reports on it.

It will continue to be part of the story until it's no longer part of the story. That's just how it works.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

That southern states will only vote Baptist? What kind of truth is that?

Kennedy won; NC, SC, GA, AL, LA, AR and TX. There is no truth in your statement. It was an off the cuff zing at Southern states because you don't know any better.

I would note that referencing an election in 1960 doesn't make much sense in trying to prove your point, considering the rise of the "religious right" didn't really start influencing elections until the 80s and into the 90s.

[Roonie]

I think it is an issue since a lot of folks outside of the mormon religion think it is a cult. Would a scientologist have a fuss made about them if running for presidency....... absolutely. The fringe religions will always have issues with the public.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Roonie

I think it is an issue since a lot of folks outside of the mormon religion think it is a cult. Would a scientologist have a fuss made about them if running for presidency....... absolutely. The fringe religions will always have issues with the public.

Roonie's right...this issue was discussed on the Election 2008 forum here: Dallas minister to congregation: vote Christian, not Mitt Romney

Fed Up

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I am posting about this story but I have a different angle I need to ask.




Here is my question. It was a big deal when JFK won because he was Catholic. Now it's a big deal Romney is running because is is Mormon. Who cares? Most people in this nation are Christian, does it really matter what type of Christian? I'm thinking the average person doesn't care if the person running is Catholic, Methodist, Baptist or Mormon. But the press likes to throw it around to see what sticks.

To non-Mormon Christians, Mormon is NOT CHRISTIAN. They made up a bunch of stuff that isn't in the Bible, wrote their own supplimentary holy book (like the Muslims). No one mistakes a Muslim for a Jew, even though both believe in "the God of Abraham, the God of Issac". JEWS AND MUSLIMS WORSHIP THE SAME GOD, who also worship the same god as Christians and Mormons.

To non-religious people, many of them see Mormons as "even worse" than Chrstians, what with all the child brides (just look up Warren Jeffs) and polygamy and whatnot. The media loves the juicy stories about women that have "escaped polygamy", even though they were only escaping "abuse". No media story I've ever seen has been an expose on women "escaping monogomy".

Romney's Mormonism is a great way for the opposition to bash him, and I would think it would be very effective, especially on those fearful of anyone of faith different than their own.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Publius

I would note that referencing an election in 1960 doesn't make much sense in trying to prove your point, considering the rise of the "religious right" didn't really start influencing elections until the 80s and into the 90s.

I think it makes an even more important example. The south in the 60's was WAY less tolerant than it is now. Hell, huge portions of the south are now populated by "damned" Yankees.

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by Publius

I would note that referencing an election in 1960 doesn't make much sense in trying to prove your point, considering the rise of the "religious right" didn't really start influencing elections until the 80s and into the 90s.

That's because before then, the "religious right" was just about everyone, and more difficult to marginalize with a buzzword.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

To non-Mormon Christians, Mormon is NOT CHRISTIAN. They made up a bunch of stuff that isn't in the Bible, wrote their own supplimentary holy book (like the Muslims). No one mistakes a Muslim for a Jew, even though both believe in "the God of Abraham, the God of Issac". JEWS AND MUSLIMS WORSHIP THE SAME GOD, who also worship the same god as Christians and Mormons.

mormons most certainly are christians. just because they added a separate book in the 1800s to the bible doesn't mean they aren't. they're just a separate sect, like Baptists, Protestants or Catholics. core beliefs are similar.

Originally Posted by AVengeance

To non-religious people, many of them see Mormons as "even worse" than Chrstians, what with all the child brides (just look up Warren Jeffs) and polygamy and whatnot. The media loves the juicy stories about women that have "escaped polygamy", even though they were only escaping "abuse". No media story I've ever seen has been an expose on women "escaping monogomy".

Mormon's officially renounced polygamy in the 1890's. that angle is a weak and ignorant stance that the opposition is using to bash Romney.