National guardsman beat up in Tacoma

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 04:52 PM

So I'm listening to Hannity's radio show and he had an announcement: A uniformed national guardsman in Tacoma was beat up. He said a car pulled up to him as he was going into a store, a guy got out, pointed a gun at the guardsman, asked him if he was in the military, and then proceeded to beat him up calling him a "baby killer."

I'm looking on

Drudge

and I can't find this. Does anyone have a link? I cannot help but think this is total and utter bullshit. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this was 100% fabricated. It just stinks of propaganda, in line with the conservative obsession that our troops are being attacked by liberals.

motivez · 08-31-2006, 04:56 PM

Sucks if true, but I'll wait for someone with credibility to report on it.

Stylerod · 08-31-2006, 04:57 PM

I saw it on Drudge this morning.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 05:06 PM

The Seattle Times: Local News: Five men allegedly assault guardsman

Here's a link. Supposedly the attacker was 5'1"

Oddly enough, I see no mention of "baby killer."

Anyway, if this is true, it's pretty low of Hannity, or anyone, to try and make it sound like this is indicative of anything other than the attacker's insanity.

smokie700 · 08-31-2006, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

The Seattle Times: Local News: Five men allegedly assault guardsman

Here's a link. Supposedly the attacker was 5'1" Oddly enough, I see no mention of "baby killer."

Anyway, if this is true, it's pretty low of Hannity, or anyone, to try and make it sound like this is indicative of anything other than the attacker's insanity.

Well they did target him because he was military. granted it should be solely on the attackers. But there is a story. the story is some crazies are targeting people for attack becuse they are military.

kinggovernor · 08-31-2006, 05:10 PM

National Guardsman Brutally Attacked In Pierce County

POSTED: 4:33 pm PDT August 30, 2006
UPDATED: 6:15 pm PDT August 30, 2006

PARKLAND, Wash. -- The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is searching for five people who allegedly attacked a uniformed National Guardsmen walking along 138th Street in Parkland Tuesday afternoon.

The soldier was walking to a convenience store when a sport utility vehicle pulled up alongside him and the driver asked if he was in the military and if he had been in any action.

The driver then got out of the vehicle, displayed a gun and shouted insults at the victim. Four other suspects exited the vehicle and knocked the soldier down, punching and kicking him.

“And during the assault the suspects called him a baby killer. At that point they got into the car and drove off and left him on the side of the road,” Detective Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.
The suspects were driving a black Chevy Suburban-type SUV.

“This is something new for us, we have not had military people assaulted because they were in the military or somebody's opposition to a war or whatever,” Troyer said.
The driver is described as a white male, 25-30 years old, 5 feet 10 inches tall, heavy build, short blond hair, wearing a black T-shirt and jeans, and armed with a handgun.

The vehicle's passengers are described as white males, 20-25 years old. Some of the suspects wore red baseball hats and red sweatshirts during the attack.

The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and charging of the individuals involved. Informants can call 253-591-5959, and callers will remain anonymous.

KIROTV.com - News - National Guardsman Brutally Attacked In Pierce County

you listen to hannity

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

you listen to hannity

fuck yea, I do. I love listening to right wing radio

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 05:41 PM

I'm willing to bet that when all is said and done, the more outrageous aspects of this story will be found to be exaggerated or false.

smokie700 · 08-31-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

fuck yea, I do. I love listening to right wing radio

It's where you can here logic and see why the left is soo f'd up, hehe

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by smokie700

It's where you can here logic and see why the left is soo f'd up, hehe

riiiiiight...

JaJae · 08-31-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

The Seattle Times: Local News: Five men allegedly assault guardsman

Here's a link. Supposedly the attacker was 5'1" Oddly enough, I see no mention of "baby killer."

Anyway, if this is true, it's pretty low of Hannity, or anyone, to try and make it sound like this is indicative of anything other than the attacker's insanity.

No worse than the people who throw civilian deaths around and use it for their propaganda. It's also no better than the anti-war protestors generalizing our military as being stupid brutes who enjoy killing Iraqi civilians.

It goes both ways. I've never listened to Hannity, but I seriously don't see a difference between telling the story of a soldier being beat up by people calling him a baby-killer or a NY Times/Daily Kos writer eluding to the fact that our servicemen are babykillers.

These men got those ideals engrained in their heads from somewhere, and it sure as hell wasn't by listening to Fox News and Hannity.

Scrum · 08-31-2006, 06:43 PM

ibtypicalliberals

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

No worse than the people who throw civilian deaths around and use it for their propaganda.

Huh? How is equating a psychotic idiot who beat a soldier to all liberals anywhere near as bad as disagreeing with a war because of tens of thousands of dead civilians?

Originally Posted by JaJae

It's also no better than the anti-war protestors generalizing our military as being stupid brutes who enjoy killing Iraqi civilians.

The difference is that you have to go to the extreme left fringe to get people who say that, whereas all you have to do is turn on your AM radio and FOX news to hear Hannity equate beating up a soldier to all liberals.

Originally Posted by JaJae

It goes both ways. I've never listened to Hannity, but I seriously don't see a difference between telling the story of a soldier being beat up by people calling him a baby-killer or a NY Times/Daily Kos writer eluding to the fact that our servicemen are babykillers.

As for the Daily Kos, that's way outside the mainstream media. As for the NY Times, can you please substantiate the these "baby killer" comments with a link or something? It seems in vogue for conservatives to paint war objectors as always calling soldiers "baby killers." Where the fuck does this actually happen?

JaJae · 08-31-2006, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Huh? How is equating a psychotic idiot who beat a soldier to all liberals anywhere near as bad as disagreeing with a war because of tens of thousands of dead civilians?

The difference is that you have to go to the extreme left fringe to get people who say that, whereas all you have to do is turn on your AM radio and FOX news to hear Hannity equate beating up a soldier to all liberals.

As for the Daily Kos, that's way outside the mainstream media. As for the NY Times, can you please substantiate the these "baby killer" comments with a link or something? It seems in vogue for conservatives to paint war objectors as always calling soldiers "baby killers." Where the fuck does this actually happen?

I was just giving generic examples. Since Vietnam our servicemen have been fighting the idea of being "baby-killers" and other extreme liberal anti-war statements. This doesn't constitute the generic opinion of the world or the typical liberal, but there is always that rationale thrown around by some.

Certain media outlets help create and foster this mentality. Sources like the NY Times and Daily Kos, etc do things like exaggerate the civilian losses, post doctored sympathizing photos and in general harp on the negativities of our our servicemen far more than is needed. This paints a negative picture of our soldiers and their efforts. When their agenda is anti-war, it's to be expected. However, this all paints a negative impression of our soldiers.

While the people who did this were extreme radicals and it's an isolated incident, where did their ideals come from? In a country like North Korea, this wouldn't happen. The media supports their administration and military. In America we have the exact opposite.

This type of behavior is brought out by the exaggerated harping on the extreme cases of our military's wrong-doings. This can only be blamed on the extreme wings of our media outlets.

My response was in reference to people attacking the fact that Hannity was airing this story. The truth is, somebody needs to aire this story. We hear all the other incidents which show wrong-doings of our military and even paint them guilty before a trial, why not hear about this? If Hannity doesn't talk about it, who will? The NY Times? Is the NY Times going to harp on this soldier being beaten up as they would if this were a minority and a racial incident? The answer is most likely no, and that's a problem. If Fox News and Hannity don't aire these stories we're likely to never hear about them.

I mean you hear it on Hannity first and nobody can even find reference to the baby-killer for some time later. If a Muslim man was asked his religion and then beaten up in rich white suburbia... followed by racist terms, we'd hear about it all over. The ACLU and the NAACP would be going bonkers trying convict the people. Yet, a servicemen gets beaten up and we have trouble finding the full story.

Hannity may not be the most trustworthy newsman, and if you want to doubt his stories, that's fine. But attacking him for telling such a story when we don't attack the other extreme stories that make such things like this possible is in my opinion flawed logic. We have a thread right now going on where a NY Times writer "interpreted" the words of our Secretary of Defense as DR's own words and people are defending it. This is the problem. We don't hold our media accountable when they tell stories that favor our political beliefs.

If our media were more centrist, I firmly believe incidents like this would be less likely to happen. And it's not just about it escalating to physical violance, it's the ideology that our servicemen are evil wrong-doers.

kinggovernor · 08-31-2006, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

ibtypicalliberals

typical liberals don't dress like gang members or drive surburans

kinggovernor · 08-31-2006, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I was just giving generic examples. Since Vietnam our servicemen have been fighting the idea of being "baby-killers" and other extreme liberal anti-war statements.

I

everytime someone calls me a babykiller

JaJae · 08-31-2006, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I everytime someone calls me a babykiller

The fact that you've been called a baby killer in your country likely more than once is disturbing. What do you think gives people this mentality?

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I everytime someone calls me a babykiller

who's called you a baby killer?

JaJae · 08-31-2006, 09:40 PM

It's far more common than you'd think in certain parts of the country. If you wear your uniform out and have a bumper sticker, etc. Every now and then you'll get people saying something either under their breath as you walk by or shouted across a parking lot as you're getting in your car.

I'm not saying it happens everyday. But I know a lot of people who have had to deal with this crap.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-31-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

My response was in reference to people attacking the fact that Hannity was airing this story. The truth is, somebody needs to aire this story.

It is being aired. The local media has aired it plenty, as it should be, because, really, it's only a local issue. There is absolutely nothing of national significance about the story. Some demented, psychotic people in Tacoma beat up a soldier. This does not happen anywhere else. The reason I object to Hannity talking about it is because Hannity is trying to twist a local story into a national story by imparting upon it false national signficance. Why? Because it supports his rhetoric about how the left hates our soldiers. If this was becoming a pattern around the country, then I'd have no objections. But it's not. Far from it. No where near it.

Originally Posted by JaJae

We hear all the other incidents which show wrong-doings of our military and even paint them guilty before a trial, why not hear about this?

Because our soldiers allegedly raping and killing an Iraqi family is of HUGE national and international significance. Those types of stories deserve national air time because they're huge national issues. This sort of thing could drastically affect the war in Iraq. In contrast, this story affects no one but the victim, the criminals, and the locals in the town.

Originally Posted by JaJae

If Hannity doesn't talk about it, who will? The NY Times? Is the NY Times going to harp on this soldier being beaten up as they would if this were a minority and a racial incident? The answer is most likely no, and that's a problem. If Fox News and Hannity don't aire these stories we're likely to never hear about them.

Once again, it all comes down to whether something is of national or local significance. Racism is still a huge problem in America, and is a systemic problem. Beating up soldiers is not. Therefore, no one but the local media should be talking about it.

I know it's hard for some to accept that this is not a national issue, because it seems the AM radio mantra is that our soldiers are being attacked by leftists, but the reality is the opposite. These attacks never happen. If someone can produce other similar stories, I'll concede I'm wrong.