Was Col Paul Tibbets lying?

[Arthur]

Ok, the boys in the Enola Gay, you know, the plane they say dropped an atom bomb they named Little Boy on Hiroshima in August 1945, said that moments after dropping the bomb they felt the first of two shockwaves hit the plane. They said it felt like flack and it was spine jarring in force. Now, here's my problem. The Enola Gay is cruising at 30, 000 feet when they dropped their so-called bomb and it is said to have detonated 1800 feet above the city of Hiroshima. In other words the city of Hiroshima was just a mere 2000 feet below the exploding so-called bomb and the plane was 28,000 feet above the bomb. I have examined the aerial photos of the damage to that city and have read other materials that indicate that there was no shock wave. I saw charred trees still standing, I saw streets free of debris of any kind and read reports that the underground piping networks were barely damaged. Many structures and buildings were still standing and there was no crater either. So, how is it possible that an aircraft cruising at 30,000 feet (20,000 feet above the so-called atom bomb) could sustain such serious shock while the city of Hiroshima, just 2,000 feet under the so-called atom bomb has no signs of a shock wave? The historical seismograms of that fateful day have disappeared since that fateful day. So, any ideas what really happened?

[motivez]

I think what they said happened did infact happen. There are pictures that show the devastation of the detonation of the atomic bomb on the city (and on the people).. I don't believe there was another weapon at the time which could have produced such widespread damage..

Here's a few links:

Linkinn - Hiroshima, The Unseen Pictures
Fogonazos: Hiroshima, the pictures they didn't want us to see

Specifically, pictures like this:



Show the extent of the destruction, and other pictures linked on those two sites show the effects of the radiation from the blast..

Not everything is going to be destroyed in a shockwave, some structures will survive, others will not. Even in a tornado there are houses which escape unscathed..

As far as the trees still being standing, this picture:



..clearly shows a tree that has been uprooted as a result of the shockwave.

Here's an excerpt about that tree:

In the precincts of the Kokutaiji Temple, the big camphor tree, said to be over 300 years old was designated as a natural monument. Its branches and thick leaves provided a place of comfort for the passers-by during summertime. Its roots spread out in all directions for 300 meters, and the street car lines shown on the left in the photograph had to avoid the tree, which formed an archway over the sidewalk.

By a blast pressure of 19 tons per square meter, the tree was uprooted. Also, hundreds of tombstones were knocked in all directions by the complex flow of wind from the blast.

The white building seen on the extreme right is the Hiroshima branch of the Bank of Japan. Because it was built of strong ferro-concrete and stonework, the exterior remained uncollapsed but the interior burned.

I'm also not sure what you mean about the plane sustaining "such a serious shock" -- the direction of the biggest part of the shockwave would have been directly under and down from the point of the explosion, they did not sustain the brunt force of the explosion or they surely would have died.

[RockPusher]

Like the fireball itself, most the force is released upward and away from the ground.

[Grouch]

wait so now there is a conspiracy thats premise is the Enola Gay did not drop the bomb.

Is that it or am I missing something?

[Simius]

Originally Posted by Grouch

wait so now there is a conspiracy thats premise is the Enola Gay did not drop the bomb.

Is that it or am I missing something?

Maybe there are no such thing at atomic bombs. And Soviet Union and the USA simply had an "arms" race as a means to spend money on other secret government projects designed to keep the populous under control. They also secretly carved up the world into the United States' sphere of influence and the Soviet's sphere of influence. The awesome destructive power of these imaginary weapons was enough to keep all the other countries from resisting. Finally, the Soviet Union collapsed because it stopped funding these secret population control projects. Which is why the US is continuing to spend more and more money on them. (and earmarking them under NASAs budget and the budget set aside for maintaining our "nuclear" arsenal.) This also happens to explain why NASA has to fake the moon landing. It didn't have any budget because it is just a front agency that creates mind control devices. We know nuclear weapons are imaginary and impossible to make. We know all the other "nuclear" powers are just faking it. Which is why we aren't concerned about N. Korea trying to get into the nuclear club. It is also proof that our hunt for WMD in Iraq was just a ruse to attack the country. We knew 100% they had no WMD but we pretended nukes are possible to make just so we could take their oil.

Wait... I need something about JFK... um... The KGB assassinated JFK because he was going to leak the secret that nukes aren't real. The KGB knew that would not only reduce the US's geopolitical power, it would reduce Russia's so much that China would have invaded them. So they killed him to keep their threat of nuclear war a legitimate deterrent from Chinese aggression.

NOW if you just throw something in about the illuminati running both the US and the USSR and that we are actually under a one world government, it is a true conspiracy theory.

[AVengeance]

Arthur: so, if not an atomic bomb, what caused the damage? We know the damage was real, because we've seen plenty of video and pictures. So, no atom bomb- what was it, then?

[RockPusher]

I have heard the contention mankind has not created fissive energy.... heavy particle radiation.

The argument was that the atom had not been split, but atoms can be charged with photon energy resulting in a burst of infrared and x-ray radiation.

I wonder if that is the poster's gist.

[Grouch]

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[Grouch]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

I have heard the contention mankind has not created fissive energy.... heavy particle radiation.

The argument was that the atom had not been split, but atoms can be charged with photon energy resulting in a burst of infrared and x-ray radiation.

I wonder if that is the poster's gist.

So I guess ever filmed bomb blast prior and after 1945 was faked, along with every nuclear power station and transport out there.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Grouch

So I guess ever filmed bomb blast prior and after 1945 was faked, along with every nuclear power station and transport out there.

Yeah, I can entertain speculation, but this theory is a bit of a stretch even for a limber mind.

The argument would be that the energy released from charged isotopes would cause mushroom cloud type explosions, but not from the nucleus splitting and mass/energy conversion as expressed in E=MC^2. The speculation that reactors and bombs are using energy pumped in via proton energy vs molecular glue energy.

I will try to dig up info on it. It was a self-supporting theory as I recall, but fun to read anyway.

[nbiggershaft]

Don't have a link to it, but witnesses felt the shockwave. One survivor was knocked by the shockwave into a pool of water, saving him from an insueing heat blast that killed people around him.

[Stylerod]

Wait, what? Conspiracy theory about if the bomb exploded. You have got to be kidding....

[Stylerod]

And if you ever want to read a great book about Paul Tibbets

Duty: A Father, His Son and the Man Who Won the War

This was a great, great book.