Originally Posted by Fed Up You are confused DD... To cite your example, an illegal alien is "illegal" period and should be deported. Someone who is caught with drugs is put in jail. If drugs are "legalized," then jailtime would be unnecessary. Wouldn't this fix the problem? They are most ...
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| Originally Posted by Fed Up You are trying to view the specific situation in question and not addressing what is essentially a hypothetical, just a very realistic one by use of a real world case. It doesn't matter why they are in prison because the question is what would you do in case x of prison overcrowding.
Though I am sure any politician is likely to give an answer like the one you gave. (similiarly if the answer to my question was, well there wouldn't have been a world war 2 if blah blah blah) | ||||
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| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft I'm trying to understand your question....so my thoughts below could be off base. I believe it is more complicated than what your question proposes.
You must be talking about the timeframe before we actually declared war on Japan after the Pearl Harbor attack. (Yes, as you mention, Japan had been aggressive towards China and so the US halted any trade with Japan in November 1940. Japan saw this as a hostile act towards them.) I think the real issue at that time was if every other country was a dictatorship, who would America trade with? Some would say, we had to go to war to protect our trading partners to keep our own economy going since we were at the tail end of the Great Depression and had already been involved in the "war to end all wars." Prior to U.S. involvement in the war, U.S businessmen did not trust their government. In November 1941, just before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor propelled the United States into total war, the Fortune pollsters asked a sample of business executives a question that bears quite directly on the regime uncertainty. The question was “Which of the following comes closest to being your prediction of the kind of economic structure with which this country will emerge after the war?” The respondents were presented with four options, as follows (the percentage of respondents selecting that option as the closest to their own prediction is shown in brackets): (1) A system of free enterprise restored very much along the prewar lines, with modifications to take care of conditions then current. [7.2 percent] (2) An economic system in which government will take over many public services formerly under private management but still leave many opportunities for private enterprise. [52.4 percent] (3) A semi-socialized society in which there will be very little room for the profit system to operate. [36.7 percent] (4) A complete economic dictatorship along fascist or communist lines. [3.7 percent] (Cantril 1951, 175) These responses constitute an extraordinary testimony to the fears of business executives on the eve of the war. Almost 93 percent of them expected the postwar regime to be one that would further attenuate private property rights to a greater or lesser degree. More than 40 percent expected a regime in which government would dominate the economy—options (3) and (4). So in a sense, the theory was that there wan't much hope in free markets to be successful after the war if there were no trading partners to trade freely with. Therefore their thinking was the government would be more involved. The neutrality acts passed dealt with the trading between the U.S. and "belligerent" nations: "The legacy of the Neutrality Acts in the 1930s was widely regarded as having been generally negative: they made no distinction between aggressor and victim, treating both equally as "belligerents"; and they limited the US government's ability to aid Britain against Nazi Germany, until the formal declaration of war in December 1941 rendered them irrelevant." Neutrality Acts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Neutrality Act: Free Encyclopedia Articles at Questia.com Online Library I could be off base, but just wanted to know your line of thinking in asking the question. Fed Up
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| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft Yes, I am trying to understand the question....
but wouldn't the answer to the last sentence/question be: change the law that got them there in the first place? Wouldn't this by definition then allow those convicted by the prior law to be set free thus decrease overcrowding? Am I missing something in my line of thinking here? Fed Up | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Fed Up I think you essentially have it. Ron Paul gets elected president in the mid 30's. Ron Paul has the ear of congress. Japan starts invading their neighbors, Germany does the same. They need supplies to fuel their war effort and we, having free trade with all nations, trade with them and American industry profits while countries committing genocide and waging multinational war keep the war machine rolling.
Does a Ron Paul president in this situation not take sides? Like I said the politician answer is well without yada yada their wouldn't have been a war, but I don't care. I am interested in the RP position in the scenario I posed. Last edited by nbiggershaft; 12-10-2007 at 06:51 PM.. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft If Ron Paul were to be elected, we wouldn't have a presence in Germany or Japan (as he would have brought our troops in 130 nations home), so in a sense, these countries (and others) would be left to do what they want.
In this case, your question has relevance and I understand it now. In a free trade atmosphere, would there be a necessity of attacking one's neighbor? Don't know... Fed Up | ||||
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| I'll be sending this email on Friday. That gives everyone plenty of time to get their questions in. | ||||
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| The Fed Must Go! Paleolibertarian ![]()
| In my debates with people on various forums, the one question that I can't seem to answer is Ron Paul's qualifications as a leader. How does he compare his leadership qualities as a 10 term Congressman in Texas, writing and voting on bills, to those who have governed states or ran a large metropolitan city? Fed Up | ||||
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California ![]()
| Oh, I got a good one that's been bugging the shit out of me for a little while now. Thomas Library doesn't have the text on any proposed bills that were authored before 1989. What's the text of H.R.392, which is entitled "A bill proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States guaranteeing the right to life"? It is seemingly in stark contrast to Paul's supposed "States' rights" position in regards to abortion. | ||||
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| I got one that I'm carrying over from another thread as per Fed Up's recommendation. In the John Stossel interview he essentially said the US should not get involved militarily for any reason Stossel presented. He brushed most of his incidents off as being over "Border disputes" and stating the nations should handle it themselves. What if the United States were invaded by a nation and our citizens were subjected to Holocaust-type treatment of being enslaved, gassed, tortured and medically experimented on? Would he want all other countries in the world to follow his ideology of not getting involved unless they were directly attacked? If so, how does he morally justify his answer? If not, how can he hold that standard to the US? | ||||
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| Originally Posted by JaJae Very well-worded.
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| Eh, I'd like to rephrase my question slightly: In the online John Stossel interview Paul essentially said the US should not get involved militarily in foreign affairs for any reason Stossel presented. He brushed most of his incidents off as being over "Border disputes" and stating the nations should handle it themselves. He is of the belief that we should not use our military unless we are directly attacked ourselves. What if the United States were defeated militarily by a nation and our citizens were subjected to Holocaust-type treatment of being enslaved, gassed, tortured and medically experimented on? Would he want all other countries in the world to follow his ideology of not getting involved unless they were directly attacked? If so, how does he morally justify his answer? If not, how can he hold that standard to the US? | ||||
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator Capitalist California ![]()
| Here are the questions that I got. I'm thinking about reordering these with the more important ones on top, but that could wind up being problematic considering we all have different ideas on what's "important." Oh, and I put my questions on top because I'm fucking awesome.
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| Originally Posted by JaJae
Doubles up some on my question, hopefully with two of these on their he will feel compelled to answer. | ||||
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| Question: Given his stance on withdrawing military presence abroad, to what end will this play into overseas base consolidation, what countries (specifically Korea), and how this would play into having staging operations should the need arise for the military to deploy. if anyone here has an answer and I haven't seen it, feel free to let me know. oh, hi. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft I am in agreement with your assessment that Japan would not have attacked if we had continued to supply them with petrol.
The first question is somewhat loaded in that we did, in fact, HEAVILY trade with Germany until the very end of the war. This ended with the "Trading With the Enemy Act" that was passed to stop Prescott Bush and Herbert Walkers Union Banking Corporation from partnering with IG Farben- Fritz Thysen? and the Dutch Hamburg Shipping line.... All the while the Bank of England was laundering the spoils of the European theater for Hitler. Yes.... that would be grandpappy Bush BTW... While pappy was trading with Germany, he belayed accusations of being unpatriotic by sending George H to fight in the Pacific theater. I would like to hear Ron's answer to the question nonetheless. From a philosophical standpoint regarding warfare, Sun Tsu stated that, "To defeat an enemy, you must become him." Perhaps the best way to defeat a potential enemy is through FREE trade. Free trade is only possible through individual liberty. Nations involved in free trade with a nation that has a planned economy results in an advantage for the nation with a free economy according the Austrian school of economics. This would either transfer the wealth of the non-free economy to the free economy, or the non-free economy would have to evolve towards free trade to compete. Either scenario enhances the peace and prosperity of the free economy. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by JaJae The Holocaust is understood today only by a very myopic viewpoint. When we interned the Japanese, should Canada have attacked us to free people from our concentration camps?
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK ![]()
| Many of the concerns expressed the problem of how logically dervived approaches are to be implemented in the real world How big a stumbling block to his campaign does he think such worries might be? How does he answer such claims anyway & what would he see a the most likely pragmatic problem of this sort that he will encounter? Or does he not see his policies as being dervived from a 'first principles' approach & there is no real problem in implementing them, (except that some many find, (so many?), fundamental changes scary)? | ||||
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