So all of you anti-war democrats

hsmith · 12-04-2007, 11:49 AM

who are you supporting? why?

i'd like to know since there really isn't anyone that is anti-war on the democratic ticket

motivez · 12-04-2007, 11:52 AM

You don't think Kucinich is anti-war?

Dylith · 12-04-2007, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

who are you supporting? why?

i'd like to know since there really isn't anyone that is anti-war on the democratic ticket

Why does who I vote for have to be anti-war? Sure it is a big deal for me, but I am not a one topic voter.

I am looking at Kucinich right now even if I disagree with him in a couple of areas.

AVengeance · 12-04-2007, 02:51 PM

Yea, he did great last time he ran...

redwards · 12-04-2007, 02:58 PM

The Democratic Congress has passed multiple bills calling for withdrawal timetables, and they've been vetoed each time.

If a Democrat wins the Presidency, the Dems are likely to gain seats in the Congress too, and they'll pass a bill like again. Do you really think that ANY of the Democratic candidates would veto it?

DosEquis · 12-04-2007, 05:51 PM

Joe Biden

anti-war...wants us to leave...wants us to leave responsibly and is not for our "stay the course" horse shit we have seen for 4 years.

garbagemanlb · 12-04-2007, 06:14 PM

Most of the Democratic nominees would be better than any GOP nominee when it comes to ending the war and changing direction in foreign policy.

Of course I don't include Paul in that.

garbagemanlb · 12-04-2007, 06:14 PM

and I like Richardson.

RMNIXON · 12-04-2007, 06:37 PM

Mike Gravel anyone?

THE TRUE ADONIS: Mike Gravel: Why Won't You Let Me Say What I Want To Say

RMNIXON · 12-04-2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

and I like Richardson.

I thought he would have done better? Certainly better than Edwards!

motivez · 12-04-2007, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I thought he would have done better? Certainly better than Edwards!

He might have if he wasn't so horrible at debates

Scrum · 12-04-2007, 11:00 PM

Biden or Richardson for the Democrats, but I'm voting for Paul in the Republican primary and will most likely vote for him in the General as well.

Donkey® · 12-04-2007, 11:55 PM

There's a HUGE difference between these so called "pro war" Democrats and the fucking piece of shit war mongers we have now. ANY are a step above the current regime.

thomez · 12-05-2007, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Biden or Richardson for the Democrats, but I'm voting for Paul in the Republican primary and will most likely vote for him in the General as well.

Ardentfrost · 12-05-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

There's a HUGE difference between these so called "pro war" Democrats and the fucking piece of shit war mongers we have now. ANY are a step above the current regime.

I don't think that changes the question though, does it?

I don't think he's asking what you think of the current administration, I think he's asking that since a lot of the Democrats are not outright saying "Time to gtfo, vote me in and that's what'll happen" but instead "we have to keep our options open" or, even worse, "I'll not take nuclear options off the table," which one is catering best to the anti-War democrats and has your support?

"The worst democrat is better than the current regime" doesn't even mean anything because the current regime is out of office in a year regardless. No one is voting for the current regime.

JaJae · 12-05-2007, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I don't think that changes the question though, does it?

I don't think he's asking what you think of the current administration, I think he's asking that since a lot of the Democrats are not outright saying "Time to gtfo, vote me in and that's what'll happen" but instead "we have to keep our options open" or, even worse, "I'll not take nuclear options off the table," which one is catering best to the anti-War democrats and has your support?

"The worst democrat is better than the current regime" doesn't even mean anything because the current regime is out of office in a year regardless. No one is voting for the current regime.

I agree with this. Many of the top leading Democrats really aren't that different from the Republicans on the issue of Iraq. They just focus their pro-war stances with anti-Bush rhetoric, but the message is essentially the same. The only difference is that the Democrats feel invading Iraq was wrong, but want to continue it. The Republicans think invading Iraq was right, and want to continue it. They all have their own means of changing strategy, some haven't even released an idea for strategy. There really isn't much difference on Iraq between the two sides that I can see. All that really matters on Iraq is what the new president will do when they come into power, their previous views and likes or dislikes for Bush don't really sway my opinion.

Ardentfrost · 12-05-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I agree with this. Many of the top leading Democrats really aren't that different from the Republicans on the issue of Iraq. They just focus their pro-war stances with anti-Bush rhetoric, but the message is essentially the same. The only difference is that the Democrats feel invading Iraq was wrong, but want to continue it. The Republicans think invading Iraq was right, and want to continue it. They all have their own means of changing strategy, some haven't even released an idea for strategy. There really isn't much difference on Iraq between the two sides that I can see. All that really matters on Iraq is what the new president will do when they come into power, their previous views and likes or dislikes for Bush don't really sway my opinion.

lol, you ever see that Futurama where the candidate were John Jackson and Jack Johnson and they were clones? They were basically agreeing with everything the other one said, but making it sound like discourse.

"I think my opponents 1% tax increase goes too far"
"I think my opponents 1% tax increase doesn't go too far enough"

It really does feel like that about some issues, eh?

JaJae · 12-05-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

lol, you ever see that Futurama where the candidate were John Jackson and Jack Johnson and they were clones? They were basically agreeing with everything the other one said, but making it sound like discourse.

"I think my opponents 1% tax increase goes too far"
"I think my opponents 1% tax increase doesn't go too far enough"

It really does feel like that about some issues, eh?

Yes it does. It's like basically:
Democrat: "Blah blah blah, stay in Iraq for years, keep nuclear option on the table."
Republican: "Blah blah blah, keep troops overseas and bring Democracy in Iraq."

Democrat: Vote for me over the war-mongering conservatives!!
Republican: Vote for me over the militarily weak liberals!!

Donkey® · 12-05-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I don't think that changes the question though, does it?

I don't think he's asking what you think of the current administration, I think he's asking that since a lot of the Democrats are not outright saying "Time to gtfo, vote me in and that's what'll happen" but instead "we have to keep our options open" or, even worse, "I'll not take nuclear options off the table," which one is catering best to the anti-War democrats and has your support?

"The worst democrat is better than the current regime" doesn't even mean anything because the current regime is out of office in a year regardless. No one is voting for the current regime.

Then I will rephrase. This administration is a war mongering one. The new administration, Republican or Democrat, will more than likely not be. Anything we get will be better. So like I said, there's a difference between "pro war" and war mongering/saber rattling.

Ardentfrost · 12-05-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Then I will rephrase. This administration is a war mongering one. The new administration, Republican or Democrat, will more than likely not be. Anything we get will be better. So like I said, there's a difference between "pro war" and war mongering/saber rattling.

Do you consider yourself an anti-war Democrat? I know you (claim) you don't know who you're going to vote for yet, but just wondering if you'd call yourself one.