Fox News won't show Guantanamo ad

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Wait, people are questioning Fox News bias?

No, I am asking that people who post that FOX are calling people unpatriotic on the left constantly to back it up. All I get is the usual crap about it happens all the time and I need to be "saved" or something. I don't even watch Fox that much, but I do often enough to tell when people are reporting what the hear on the actual network and what they just repeat as talking points from the left leaning blogs and their own imagination. I gave up defending Fox long ago as the IQ level of such threads drops so quickly.

I recall Bernard Goldberg, who has many Liberal friends, once told O'Reilly that they can be intelligent rational people until three subjects come up: Bill O'Reilly, George Bush, and Fox News.

[David Octavius]

All people (and I mean all people including me) are irrational when it comes to their beliefs and what they hold dearest. I mean if they stepped back and accepted that their core beliefs are wrong, then they are accepting that things that make up their identity of who they are is wrong, what do they have left?

The only hope we have is lower the realitive degree of our bias to accept the things that are not aligned with what we hold dear without shattering our sense of self.

[JaJae]

NBC, MSNBC and CNBC are basically doing the same thing:
The Associated Press: NBC Rejects Ad From Conservative Group

NBC said it declined to air the ad because it refers to the group's Web site, which the network said was too political, not because of the ad's message.

"Anybody in the world who would look at this ad would come away with nothing other than we should be thankful for their service," Freedom's Watch president Brad Blakeman said.

Here is an example of the ad they won't run:

YouTube Video

[7960]

Originally Posted by JaJae

NBC, MSNBC and CNBC are basically doing the same thing:
The Associated Press: NBC Rejects Ad From Conservative Group



Here is an example of the ad they won't run:

YouTube Video

that's the commercial they refuse to play?

stupid.

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by 7960

that's the commercial they refuse to play?

stupid.

All they have to do is take out the website at the end and it would be played. They are blatantly a political group, and they should be treated like any other political group wanting to place an ad on tv.

It definitely is clever of them to attach their name to a support the troops video though, because they knew the controversy it would cause if it was denied. NBC is clearly in the right, though.

As is Fox. Both channels have a right to decide what they air, and both have (to me) decent reasons.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

As is Fox. Both channels have a right to decide what they air, and both have (to me) decent reasons.

I think Fox's reasoning they gave is slightly worse, but in any event I agree.. they should have the right to decide what ads they wish to air.

[motivez]

Any privately owned organization should be allowed to make the decision of what and what not to make available for viewing by their 'customers' or 'viewers' or whatever.

The problem you run into with censoring certain advertisements on a website or television station because you disagree with the message (and aren't filtering it because of content that you think is inappropriate), you imply that you agree with the other messages that you do approve because you've already filtered out the ones you don't.

Personally I think news stations who filter their ads because they disagree with the politics of the message are doing a disservice to their viewers.

[JaJae]

NBC ran this Moveon.org ad that includes their website at the end..
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/howmanymore.html

When we gave the media our new TV ad, they ran it during the news segments on Good Morning America and The Today Show—those shows are viewed by millions.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

They are blatantly a political group, and they should be treated like any other political group wanting to place an ad on tv.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Why do you find equal treatment of all political groups such a hilarious idea?

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

Why do you find equal treatment of all political groups such a hilarious idea?

I am amused at the discovery of blatant politics behind what are claimed to be non-candidate or non-partisan politcal ads. I personally HATE political TV ads. They are the reason so much money is involved in politcs on both sides. They are designed to appeal to emotions and uninformed voters. I guess they are free speech rights, but they still stink!

[7960]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

All they have to do is take out the website at the end and it would be played. They are blatantly a political group, and they should be treated like any other political group wanting to place an ad on tv.

The ad should be judged on the merits of the ad.

And before you ask I'll answer, yes I'd still be all for putting that ad on tv if the KKK did it.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

All they have to do is take out the website at the end and it would be played. They are blatantly a political group, and they should be treated like any other political group wanting to place an ad on tv.

That's what they're saying. But they run Moveon.org ads frequently if memory serves me correctly. An example is here:
Fox News won't show Guantanamo ad

So while they claim their policy is to not show the websites, it seems that policy applies moreso to political groups they disagree with.

[JaJae]

Just found this:
NBC Decides to Run Conservative-Group Ad

NBC Decides to Run Conservative-Group Ad

By JIM KUHNHENN
The Associated Press
Saturday, December 8, 2007; 6:04 PM


WASHINGTON -- NBC reversed course Saturday and decided to air a conservative group's television ad thanking U.S. troops.

The ad, by the group Freedom's Watch, asks viewers to remember the troops during the holiday season. NBC had refused to air the ad because it guides viewers to the Freedom's Watch Web site, which NBC said was too political.

But in a statement issued Saturday evening, NBC said:

"We have reviewed and changed our ad standards guidelines and made the decision that our policy will apply to content only and not to a referenced Web site. Based on these amended standards the Freedom's Watch ad will begin to run as early as Sunday."

Apparently NBC changed their minds under pressure.