al Qaeda video 'inviting' Americans to convert or die

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I've never studied the Bible so I don't pretend to know it's meaning. But I don't think there's many Christians in the world today looking to kill others if they don't convert.

Same with Muslims

But both have a history, Christians with the much darker one

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I've never studied the Bible so I don't pretend to know it's meaning. But I don't think there's many Christians in the world today looking to kill others if they don't convert.

It's out of fashion for them to do it today. But, it didn't use to be. Even in this country, 300 years ago, people were burned, murdered, and prosecuted to either convert to Christianity, or die.

So it's not that far fetched that the idea has never been popular.

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

BibleGateway.com - Passage*Lookup: Matthew 28:19

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“Jesus says, ‘You teach them to obey everything I have commanded you [the apostles].’ Well, what’s the last thing he commanded them? The last thing he commanded them was to go and make disciples, so one of the things that we teach every person that we baptize is to go and make disciples. So, every single Christian, every single disciple has been given the charge by Jesus to go and make disciples, who can make disciples, who can make disciples, who can make disciples...”

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Evangelism is nothing to be ashamed of, it’s not religious, and no, it’s not optional.

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The real heart of the matter:


"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it."
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It makes me sad to see this from evangelists.

Christianity today is a disgousting perversion of Christ's original message. But 2 000 years of intellect tends to do that to a divine message. We're just morons trying to pull meaning out of what was so apparently obvious.

Jesus said he was the son of God, and that we were the sons and daughters of God as well. His message was simply everyone is exactly as he was, they were all godly and in posession of an immortal soul -- so be good.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

It's out of fashion for them to do it today. But, it didn't use to be. Even in this country, 300 years ago, people were burned, murdered, and prosecuted to either convert to Christianity, or die.

So it's not that far fetched that the idea has never been popular.

How about the Crusades? I think the tables were turned and it was the Christians demanding by force that all convert to Christianity of course by their leader Jesus Christ.

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

How about the Crusades? I think the tables were turned and it was the Christians demanding by force that all convert to Christianity of course by their leader Jesus Christ.

Sickening

Both the act, and your views upon it, Christ was never meant to be a leader but an example.

Modern people don't seem capable of understanding that

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

Sickening

Both the act, and your views upon it, Christ was never meant to be a leader but an example.

Modern people don't seem capable of understanding that

I can understand the act being sickening but Im really confused as to how my views are sickening. What view did I state? Jesus Christ may very well stand as an example to you but during the Crusades his teachings were the foundation used. Pretty much made him their leader.

You think my views are sickening??

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

How about the Crusades? I think the tables were turned and it was the Christians demanding by force that all convert to Christianity of course by their leader Jesus Christ.

I was trying to use a more modern example...

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I was trying to use a more modern example...

300 years ago isn't really very "modern." I don't pretend to be Christian, but comparing the crusades and events that took place 300 years ago to what is going on now doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

The world has changed and there is only one religon currently where everyone hasn't evolved and moved to the philosophy of live and let live.

[Thorgrim]

Is there some sort of time limit we are going to put in place on this forum?

When the CIA funded terrorists in the 80s, that was "so long ago" and has nothing to do with republicans, terrorism, the US morality, etc

When Saddam crushed a rebellion in the 1980s, its completely relevant

The fact that the Great Society didn't work out to be a marvelous success (although it did greatly reduce poverty) is laid directly at todays democrats feet, yet the Republicans that took us right into the Great Depression have nothing to do with todays Republicans

its just stupid

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Is there some sort of time limit we are going to put in place on this forum?

How about now and current events as pertains to the OP?

And the CIA has nothing to do with Christianity. You're changing the subject to anti-American rhetoric rather than religon.

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

I can understand the act being sickening but Im really confused as to how my views are sickening. What view did I state? Jesus Christ may very well stand as an example to you but during the Crusades his teachings were the foundation used. Pretty much made him their leader.

You think my views are sickening??

Oh Kat, I have nothing against you, in earnest. I am one to say; Jesus Christ was by no means "of course their leader" -- there is no reason to believe such lunacy.

What I say is you simply are the echo of views held by so-many delusional Christians

[JaJae]

Cleaning up this thread and then I will re-open.

Stay on topic, and please respect the original post.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by JaJae

And the CIA has nothing to do with Christianity. You're changing the subject to anti-American rhetoric rather than religon.

I believe he and many on the left believe that this is not a subject change, rather that they are tied together.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

Oh Kat, I have nothing against you, in earnest. I am one to say; Jesus Christ was by no means "of course their leader" -- there is no reason to believe such lunacy.

What I say is you simply are the echo of views held by so-many delusional Christians

Well Im not a delusional christian, Im not a christian at all. I was once upon a time but all it took was a little historical knowlege.

My use of the word "leader". was not meant in the literal sense of the word. The massacre's that have occurred through out history by those carrying the christian banner, and I believe christians have done this more than any other religious movement, were done so because of the authority they believed they had received from their King, (also referred to as a leader) Jesus Christ through the writings now called the New Testament.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by JaJae

300 years ago isn't really very "modern." I don't pretend to be Christian, but comparing the crusades and events that took place 300 years ago to what is going on now doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

The world has changed and there is only one religon currently where everyone hasn't evolved and moved to the philosophy of live and let live.

300 Years is not THAT long ago. That's quite recent history, especially since the results of that are still being felt today.

[cleverest]

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

It makes me sad to see this from evangelists.

Christianity today is a disgousting perversion of Christ's original message. But 2 000 years of intellect tends to do that to a divine message. We're just morons trying to pull meaning out of what was so apparently obvious.

Jesus said he was the son of God, and that we were the sons and daughters of God as well. His message was simply everyone is exactly as he was, they were all godly and in posession of an immortal soul -- so be good.

Jesus never claimed we had an immortal soul, in fact scripture teaches that we are MORTAL and only God is immortal.

Although we can be giventhis immortality acording to scripture, but it's not something we have in "posession" now. I'm aware many christians teach the same thing, but not from scripture.

[cleverest]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

How about the Crusades? I think the tables were turned and it was the Christians demanding by force that all convert to Christianity of course by their leader Jesus Christ.

Those people used a "label" of christ-followers to justify in their own twisted lusts the right to commit all sorts of evil acts, it hardly makes them Christians and "following Christ".

Christ taught to love your enemy and "do good unto them", which isn't anywhere near "kill and torture them". Anyone who has no use for the words and teachings of Chrsit is a "lying hypocrite", not a "christian", regardless of what any so called church or religion or group of man claim

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Notice how this 'lord lord' is used elsewhere...

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

sure sounds like many "claiming to be christians" to me....do ALL these miracle working folks make Christ smile and say "you are my followers!"

Not exactly, let's read the next verse:

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Wow, I guess if it claims to be an apple and walks like a banana, it's not an apple....

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by cleverest

Those people used a "label" of christ-followers to justify in their own twisted lusts the right to commit all sorts of evil acts, it hardly makes them Christians and "following Christ".

Christ taught to love your enemy and "do good unto them", which isn't anywhere near "kill and torture them". Anyone who has no use for the words and teachings of Chrsit is a "lying hypocrite", not a "christian", regardless of what any so called church or religion or group of man claim

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Notice how this 'lord lord' is used elsewhere...

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

sure sounds like many "claiming to be christians" to me....do ALL these miracle working folks make Christ smile and say "you are my followers!"

Not exactly, let's read the next verse:

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Wow, I guess if it claims to be an apple and walks like a banana, it's not an apple....

There is no doubt that man has perversed what Christ actually taught. Taking a tid bit of scripture, and basing a belief system is reatrded if you ask me.

But, although this is not what Christ taught, we can only go with what people are intrepreting it at now. And it's twisted, I'll give you that. But, the only evidence of religion, is the people who practice it.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

But, the only evidence of religion, is the people who practice it.

not everyone practices it the way you see it.