Everyone Up Now Watch Meet The Press Now Or In 30 Minutes

Thorgrim · 09-03-2006, 11:08 AM

Depending on where you live

Casey vs Santorum! Live Debate with rough moderator Tim Russert!

Scrum · 09-03-2006, 11:10 AM

On in an hour here and I have a fantasy draft in 30.

Hopefully there will be a youtube link.

SoFlaJDM · 09-03-2006, 11:12 AM

watching right now

SoFlaJDM · 09-03-2006, 11:17 AM

this is hilarious

beez · 09-03-2006, 11:55 AM

What channel?

Nevermind, found it on NBC

beez · 09-03-2006, 12:01 PM

Challenger didn't have good answers for what he'd cut in the budget. You'd think he'd have something like that ready.

JaJae · 09-03-2006, 12:02 PM

Casey has nothin. I'm watching it now and I have to say Casey is getting destroyed. Even Russert is taking cheap shots at Casey. This is ridiculous. Casey is not prepared.

beez · 09-03-2006, 12:05 PM

Yeah I'm disappointed. Santorum should be an easy target but this guy is fucking up.

JaJae · 09-03-2006, 12:07 PM

All I've seen so far is talking points from Casey, no real plan. Santorum has a plan and details and is willing to take a chance by telling people what he thinks. I respect that. You can agree with Santorum or take a chance with a shady guy who won't tell you anything. I dunno, I'd vote Santorum based on what I've seen here so far and I don't think I've only voted for one Rep. Senator in my life.

JaJae · 09-03-2006, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by beez

Yeah I'm disappointed. Santorum should be an easy target but this guy is fucking up.

Santorum is prepared. It shows. And he's not afraid to have a plan whether it helps or hurts him. He's willing to lay it out. Casey is trying to play it safe. It also seems clear as to which one is more motived and which one is willing to work. Casey couldn't care enough to develop a plan or prepare for this debate properly. Why vote him into office?

PA needs a Dem to win. I want the Dems to take back the senate, but Casey just seems like a joke here.

JaJae · 09-03-2006, 12:13 PM

Even on the morning after pill. He first says he believes life starts at fertilization. But then says the morning after pill isn't abortion even if fertilization occurs.

What exactly is the definition of abortion then if it isn't aborting life.

beez · 09-03-2006, 12:13 PM

He's an experienced politician so being prepared for a debate isn't really remarkable on his part, IMO. The fact that this Casey clown came to the debate and decided to wing it is surprising and scary. This guy's having a nationally-televised debate and he's doing it off the top of his head.

I wouldn't vote for Santorum either way because I disagree with almost all of his positions but he's definitely winning this debate.

JaJae · 09-03-2006, 12:24 PM

Thanks for the showtime Thorgrim, good debate.

Casey got raped, but all in all it was good. It'll be interesting to see if Casey still wins in PA after such a horrible performance and lack of any form of comprehensible plan.

It'll be interesting to see how Crooks and Liars spins this in the morning and what "clips" they choose to show.

KatKanPlay · 09-03-2006, 12:28 PM

Standard fair.

I would say that Santorum was the better prepared of the 2. The sad thing here is that although he may have some marvelous ideas for the country, those instantly get buried when he so proudly supports the actions and policies of the Bush administration. At that point he becomes part of the problem and any solutions he may offer become moot.

6SpeedTA95 · 09-03-2006, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Standard fair.

I would say that Santorum was the better prepared of the 2. The sad thing here is that although he may have some marvelous ideas for the country, those instantly get buried when he so proudly supports the actions and policies of the Bush administration. At that point he becomes part of the problem and any solutions he may offer become moot.

How the hell can a solution become moot? Simply becuase you dislike one aspect of a person you dismiss everything including solutions?????

JaJae · 09-03-2006, 12:31 PM

Just a side note, I think Russert did a good job. He tried to attack them both. Casey was the only one weak enough get taken advantage though. Between Russert and Santorum he really had no outlet. He was saying hypocritical things and was being talked over by both of the other parties to question him.

It was a like a circus and Casey was the jackass. When he claimed he didn't say something, Santorum said he had the article and quote with him and would be willing to show it on the air. Ended that real quick! Santorum was just so prepared.

KatKanPlay · 09-03-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

How the hell can a solution become moot? Simply becuase you dislike one aspect of a person you dismiss everything including solutions?????

Absolutely!! The most polarizing issue in this country today is the "War in Iraq" when it should be the "War on Terror". Anyone at this point who still believes they are one in the same has either got their head buried in the sand, they arent paying attention, or they just cant admit they are wrong.

It is precisely because he continues to support the War in Iraq, rather than stand up and hold this administration accountable, that compels myself and others like me to automatically take the stand that his proposed solutions are not worth the pay off. Since the War in Iraq has done so much to deplete this nations resources, I certainly dont want a politician, who supports this continued source of depletion, in power so that he can cut school lunch programs and higher education programs because the budget cant afford it! He is part of the problem, any solutions he may offer on a domestic level are like having major surgery for a papercut and only applying a bandaid to a broken back.

Thorgrim · 09-03-2006, 01:20 PM

I thought Santorum came off as a slightly arrogant incumbent, casey came off as a nice genuine guy

No one expected Casey to win the debate, not even his own campaign, but I think to say he was "raped" isn't a balanced perspective

His talk about WMD is a joke and you know it, and the 60% of voters who want out of Iraq (higher in PA) will regard it as bunk, along with blaming Iran for everything going wrong in Iraq

About raising taxes on the wealthiest and the estate tax, he made good points to indepedent voters, and Santorum didn't really rebut him

On social security Santorum talked about privitization, which is wildly unpopular in PA

To PA voters, Santorum won the debate, but slightly, and to those who didn't know Casey at all, I think he cast himself in a positive light

Is this going to blow Casey's 16 point lead? No way, Casey avoided a disaster successfully and now its all up to their millions in campaign ads, to which I think Casey will best Santorum because Russert didn't bring up any of the "man on dog" issues or other serious gaffes

JaJae · 09-03-2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I thought Santorum came off as a slightly arrogant incumbent

He had every reason to be, Casey was a hack.

casey came off as a nice genuine guy

Casey came off as an idiot.

No one expected Casey to win the debate, not even his own campaign, but I think to say he was "raped" isn't a balanced perspective

He was fully lubed and his ass is still throbbing.

Casey only has a lead because of the liberalism of PA and the blind hatred of Bush and anything Republican in the north east. Casey does not strike me as a hard worker or someone who can get anything done for PA.

Now I want the Dems to win this year. And part of that includes winning states like PA. But, lets call a spade a spade here. Casey is a joke of a politician when compared to Santorum.

Thorgrim · 09-03-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

He had every reason to be, Casey was a hack.

Casey came off as an idiot.

He was fully lubed and his ass is still throbbing.

Casey only has a lead because of the liberalism of PA and the blind hatred of Bush and anything Republican in the north east. Casey does not strike me as a hard worker or someone who can get anything done for PA.

Now I want the Dems to win this year. And part of that includes winning states like PA. But, lets call a spade a spade here. Casey is a joke of a politician when compared to Santorum.

Casey won more votes in his last election than any politician for any office in Pennsylvania history, he's popular in PA

As a politician...he was praised in PA bipartisanly for his jobs before Santorum's negative ad blitz

Sure, he's not a 12 year Senator, but I'd rather Casey even as a pro-life Democrat because he comes across as more genuine, and he certainly is, he didn't make outrageous claims or lies yet Santorum gave his lame WMD argument which everyone knows is pure political hacksmenship

What exactly would a slightly left-center indepedent voter (PA's indepedents on the edges of Philly) see in one of Santorum's positions that he would go "oh I agree with Rick over Casey on this"

I really didn't catch any, hence why I don't think its nearly as bad as you think, I'll watch the left, center and right blogs...see what people think, but I really doubt they'll have your opinion