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Old 12-19-2007, 03:11 PM   #21
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I think lew is talking about what conservatism used to be and used to stand for. It doesn't stand for those things any more, and hasn't since the evangelicals merged with the neocons to take over the party.
 
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Old 12-19-2007, 04:11 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by garbagemanlb View Post
If the GOP is intelligent enough to nominate Paul, I will vote for him over Hillary. There is absolutely no way I will vote for Hillary, as I have said before.
ABC News:

“There are people who would never vote for me,” Clinton replied. “Breaks my heart. But it is true.”

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Old 12-19-2007, 08:55 PM   #23
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Republican Giuliani plummets in NBC/Journal poll


By JoAnne Allen 31 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani has fallen 13 points since November and is now tied with Mitt Romney nationally in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Wednesday.
According to the poll, Giuliani and the former Massachusetts governor are tied with 20 percent support among Republican primary voters.
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee was in third place with 17 percent support, followed by Arizona Sen. John McCain at 14 percent and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson at 11 percent, the poll found.
Giuliani had been the clear leader in all previous NBC/Journal polls and led the field with 33 percent support in the survey last month.
In the past month, Giuliani's campaign faced more media scrutiny. The campaign also did not put much emphasis on Iowa and New Hampshire, where candidates next month face the first contests in the state-by-state process of determining who will be the Republican and Democratic candidates in the November 2008 presidential election.
According to the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, just 37 percent view Giuliani favorably, compared with an equal 37 percent who have a negative impression of him.
In March, 58 percent viewed Giuliani favorably versus only 14 percent who saw him in a negative light, NBC reported.
Among Democrats, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton held her national lead in the NBC/Journal poll.
According to the survey, 45 percent of Democratic primary voters support Clinton, compared with 23 percent for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and 13 percent for former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards. No other Democratic candidate receives more than 4 percent, NBC reported.
The NBC/Journal poll of 1,008 adults was conducted December 14 to 17 and has an overall margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. The margin of error for the Democratic race is 4.4 percentage points and for the Republican contest, 5.2 percentage points.
 
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:00 PM   #24
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The more people get to know him, the less they like him.

And Grandpa Fred.
 
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