Democrats vote for Ramadan but against Christmas - Page 3

Scrum · 12-14-2007, 01:50 PM

Gay marriage is an issue that the Democrats have been pushing!?!

I'll have to check, but i'm pretty sure they weren't the ones that added those ballot initiatives last election cycle.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Gay marriage is an issue that the Democrats have been pushing!?!

I'll have to check, but i'm pretty sure they weren't the ones that added those ballot initiatives last election cycle.

In my state and surrounding states they certainly have been pushing it. They're pushing for it as hard as the GOP is pushing against it.

7960 · 12-14-2007, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

maybe those "minorities" are fighting over in Iraq and can't marry their partner legally and are worried if they die their benefits won't go to them.

it's not for you to say they're not important issues just because you don't agree with them.

if you're willing to stretch the argument like this then it's just as easy to say recognition of christmas is something others think is worth fighting for so they should be doing it.

Scrum · 12-14-2007, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

In my state and surrounding states they certainly have been pushing it. They're pushing for it as hard as the GOP is pushing against it.

Yet the GOP are the ones who put gay marriage on ballots in 11 states, but somehow the Democrats are the ones pushing it.

Scrum · 12-14-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

if you're willing to stretch the argument like this then it's just as easy to say recognition of christmas is something others think is worth fighting for so they should be doing it.

Christmas is recognized from Turkey day to New Years every year.

What the fuck else to people want?

ballz2wallz · 12-14-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

maybe those "minorities" are fighting over in Iraq and can't marry their partner legally and are worried if they die their benefits won't go to them.

Maybe those 'minorities' should worry more about their ability to fight the war properly and stay alive than worry about benefits back home. I'm sure the war is more important in their eyes (especially since they're fighting it) than is getting married.

it's not for you to say they're not important issues just because you don't agree with them.

I never expressed my opinion on the issue.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Yet the GOP are the ones who put gay marriage on ballots in 11 states, but somehow the Democrats are the ones pushing it.

The Democrats just put it on the ballet in my state and many other states I'm sure.

ballz2wallz · 12-14-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Gay marriage is an issue that the Democrats have been pushing!?!

I'll have to check, but i'm pretty sure they weren't the ones that added those ballot initiatives last election cycle.

If I remember correctly, they were added as ballot initiatives as a result of some clamoring to get married (see San Fran and Seattle) only to have their marriage licenses withdrawn. Had there not been some big desire to push gay marriage in the first place, there would not have been the controversy that ensued.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Christmas is recognized from Turkey day to New Years every year.

What the fuck else to people want?

Consistency and recognition from their elected officials. The same respect they give to other religions.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If I remember correctly, they were added as ballot initiatives as a result of some clamoring to get married (see San Fran and Seattle) only to have their marriage licenses withdrawn. Had there not been some big desire to push gay marriage in the first place, there would not have been the controversy that ensued.

It's almost as if they wanted the GOP to filibuster gay marriage rather than bring it to a vote. Go figure.

Scrum · 12-14-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Consistency and recognition from their elected officials. The same respect they give to other religions.

So you are in favor of adding all religious holidays to the list of federally recognized ones?

Consistency and recognition, right?

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

So you are in favor of adding all religious holidays to the list of federally recognized ones?

Consistency and recognition, right?

These bills had nothing to do with adding religious holidays. It had to do with recognizing and paying respect to religions and the people who practice them. But my view is that the federal government shouldn't be involved in religious holidays. The idea of Christmas being a recognized federal holiday has nothing to do with their votes and refusal to pay respects to Christianity while giving respect to other religions. They were presented with a choice. Their choice was to vote in favor of paying respects to Christianity and Christmas or to oppose paying respect to the Christianity and Christmas. They opted to oppose it. They then opted to vote in favor of paying respect another religion. Their votes should not play favorites to certain religions.

ballz2wallz · 12-14-2007, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

So you are in favor of adding all religious holidays to the list of federally recognized ones?

Consistency and recognition, right?

I'm in favor of our elected officials representing the people that elected them into office.

If our country decided that Christmas was not the holiday they wanted to celebrate, but instead wanted to celebrate Ramadan, then yes, that's what our officials should do.

Unfortunately for you in this situation (and your argument) that's not what our people and country want, therefore our elected officials have no right to do so.

Rouger2 · 12-14-2007, 02:43 PM

It's symbolic and that is important and as far as being as important as others issues it is not, but even if they were working on the war and other more important issues five days a week all day there is time for other things.

ballz2wallz · 12-14-2007, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Rouger2

It's symbolic and that is important and as far as being as important as others issues it is not, but even if they were working on the war and other more important issues five days a week all day there is time for other things.

There may be time, but the Democrats don't seem to like to work that much, despite claiming a yr ago to work 5 days a week.

A 2008 calendar distributed to congressional offices Monday shows the House holding five-day weeks only three times next year, exposing Democrats to charges that they are backing away from a pledge to work harder than Republicans did when they ruled the House.

Their calendar for '08 can be found here.

While symbolism may be ok at times, I think we need less symbolism and more action, especially in time of war.

motivez · 12-14-2007, 02:55 PM

It was pretty pathetic to claim a 5 day work week and then not live up to it.. especially when something like that is so easy to check on and call people out.

I think for as much as they get paid, they should be spending a lot more time legislating.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

It was pretty pathetic to claim a 5 day work week and then not live up to it.. especially when something like that is so easy to check on and call people out.

I think for as much as they get paid, they should be spending a lot more time legislating.

I agree, but I understand their need to be in two places at once, especially for people who don't live near DC. It was a tough schedule to live up to, which means they probably shouldn't have said it in the first place. They knew what they were getting themselves in to. You would think they'd blow some of the budget on some form of videoconferencing by now. How much would it cost per person? $5-10k? Whatever it is I'm sure it's less than it costs shuttling them back and forth all the time.

motivez · 12-14-2007, 03:02 PM

Yeah, between that, the internets, and the telephone, there's not really any excuse.

Rouger2 · 12-14-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

There may be time, but the Democrats don't seem to like to work that much, despite claiming a yr ago to work 5 days a week.

Their calendar for '08 can be found here.

While symbolism may be ok at times, I think we need less symbolism and more action, especially in time of war.

The Democrats in the house it seems have tried to pass bills including a time table for withdrawal from Iraq, but a crafty president, republican senators, along with some democrats have stalled most of their efforts on this and many things, so why try so hard if it goes for nothing.

ballz2wallz · 12-14-2007, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Rouger2

The Democrats in the house it seems have tried to pass bills including a time table for withdrawal from Iraq, but a crafty president, republican senators, along with some democrats have stalled most of their efforts on this and many things, so why try so hard if it goes for nothing.

1) troop withdrawal for one may not be the best thing to do for our country and 2) there are more things to running this country than ending the war

Certainly that is not their only purpose in Congress?