Democrats vote for Ramadan but against Christmas

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 7960

if you're willing to stretch the argument like this then it's just as easy to say recognition of christmas is something others think is worth fighting for so they should be doing it.

um, it's already recognized. what's to fight for?

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I never expressed my opinion on the issue.

not on here you haven't.









i can see into your soul.

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

1) troop withdrawal for one may not be the best thing to do for our country and 2) there are more things to running this country than ending the war

Certainly that is not their only purpose in Congress?

They were working on the war which many have pointed out to be one of the important things they should be working on though and if not that then there were many other bills that they worked on and tried to get through the senate so they were not just twiddling their thumbs and passing Christmas bills.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

Aside from controversies surrounding their passage, does anyone even pay attention to the shit Congress does praising this or that person or event?

I don't really see the point in them spending time on stuff like this when there's so much more that's not being given enough attention.

True enough. Most of it is hardly noticed beyond the congressional record.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

Yeah, between that, the internets, and the telephone, there's not really any excuse.

I must agree with Motivez again......


Damn, that's two in a row!

[7960]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

um, it's already recognized. what's to fight for?

Originally Posted by Scrum

Christmas is recognized from Turkey day to New Years every year.

What the fuck else to people want?

If the govt is going to take time to recognize "the importance of muslims and islam, and the importance of indians and diwali, and the importance of egyptians and sandskrit, and the importance of agnostics and festivus" then they should not turn around and vote "no" to recognize the importance of christians and christmas.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

If the govt is going to take time to recognize "the importance of muslims and islam, and the importance of indians and diwali, and the importance of egyptians and sandskrit, and the importance of agnostics and festivus" then they should not turn around and vote "no" to recognize the importance of christians and christmas.

And you don't think that a federal holiday is already enough?

The government already recognizes the importance of Christianity every year with a holiday and a decorations. (Why do I feel like this has been said multiple times in this thread?)

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

And you don't think that a federal holiday is already enough?

The government already recognizes the importance of Christianity every year with a holiday and a decorations. (Why do I feel like this has been said multiple times in this thread?)

Memorial Day is a federal holiday. Did they also vote against paying respects to our fallen soldiers?

Veterans Days is a federal holiday. Did they also vote against paying respect to our servicemen and women?

Independence Day is a federal holiday. Do they not wish to vote in favor of bills to recognize the importance of our independence?

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. The fact that Christmas is a federal holiday should have no bearing on their willingness to vote in favor or against these common bills that come up during the holidays. Politicians who show favoritism towards certain religions and not others are hypocritical. What the nation does is irrelevent to their willingness to personally vote to pay respects in these regards.

There is no reason they should be voting against Christmas and in favor of Ramadan. If they're willing to vote on these bills at all they should be consistent. They didn't have to vote against Christmas, they could have voted present like many politicians did on that bill as well as the Ramadan bill. They actively chose to take a vote and let it go down on public record that they are against showing their respects towards Christmas and then chose to vote in favor of Ramadan. That's a strange way to vote.

If they really thought having a national holiday for this day is plenty enough they didn't have to vote in favor of it. Nobody is saying they should have voted in favor of it. What people are saying is it's pretty absurd they'd vote against it, but in favor of other religions. They should be consistent or not vote at all if they don't want to be branded the way they being here.

[imind]

9 democrats voted against recognizing christmas?
how many republicans voted against recognizing ramadan?
my understanding is that more democrats than republicans voted in favor of recognizing christmas. why didn't more republicans vote on this? seems to me they are waging war on christmas.

(4) acknowledges and supports the role played by Christians and Christianity in the founding of the United States and in the formation of the western civilization;

i also understand that this little gem above is what most detractors are against.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by imind

9 democrats voted against recognizing christmas?
how many republicans voted against recognizing ramadan?

None

[imind]

let me rephrase that, how many gop voted only as 'present'?


and to the text i quoted?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by imind

let me rephrase that, how many gop voted only as 'present'?


and to the text i quoted?

Quite a few GOP voted present and in favor of this vote, which isn't consistent, but at least it isn't going against the religion.

As per the text you quoted, I don't see anything wrong with the idea. What's so wrong about that? And is that one line in the entire bill enough to make someone vote against it? Are they really that far against Christianity that they had to vote AGAINST the bill?

Read the line again:
(4) acknowledges and supports the role played by Christians and Christianity in the founding of the United States and in the formation of the western civilization;

It doesn't say we're a Christian nation. It says we acknowledge the role they played in our founding. They had a role. There's absolutely nothing wrong with stating that, nor do I see the problem with paying respects to it when our government is voting on a bill to pay respects to the religion. Weren't the Pilgrims Christian... we have that whole Thanksgiving thing...

If we had a minority gruop of Muslims in our country when we were founded and they were involved in the formation of America I would have no problem paying respects to them for it. And for some reason I doubt those who voted against this bill would have voted Nay on that.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by 7960

If the govt is going to take time to recognize "the importance of muslims and islam, and the importance of indians and diwali, and the importance of egyptians and sandskrit, and the importance of agnostics and festivus" then they should not turn around and vote "no" to recognize the importance of christians and christmas.

I can feel a big hug!


Just imagine the mental Olympicsit takes not to judge anyone or any culture other than Western and Christian.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Read the line again:
(4) acknowledges and supports the role played by Christians and Christianity in the founding of the United States and in the formation of the western civilization;

But some Americans find that offensive!