Why I Left Christianity

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

alrighty then.

you know it's funny. half of those out there that proclaim they are christians don't actually follow jesus's original teachings of love and forgiveness.....

I agree completely.

Christian literally means follower of Christ.

[Spideynw]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

alrighty then.

you know it's funny. half of those out there that proclaim they are christians don't actually follow jesus's original teachings of love and forgiveness.....

That is probably because the teachings of the Bible are pretty confusing.

[hereticzero]

Originally Posted by Roonie

He asked specifically about Christians.

The definition of a Christian is this;

adj.

1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.

n.

1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

Whether or not you believe in it is what makes you a Christian or not.

What was humane about Christianity in the taking of North America from the Indians--it was all done in the name of Jesus? What was humane about the Protestants who murdered Quakers in the colonies settling America? What was humane about the weirdos from England called Puritans who killed the Indians and their own members who left the colonies to live with Indians? What was humane about Christians keeping slaves not just in America but around the world? What was humane about the Christian church siding with the Nazis against the Jews in WWII--it wasn't just Catholics who sucked up to Hitler? What is humane about Christianity not found in an atheist? What do you do that is so special it requires a faith and worship of what doesn't exist?

I've never met a christian that followed jesus' teachings, if he taught anything at all--your bible cannot be proven true. Evidence more than indicates it is a work of fiction, a fraud, a forgery with no legitimate author. OT and NT characters claim the scribes were liars. Scribes wrote your bible. If they lied, the bible lies.

In case you were sleeping during Sunday School, Christianity is not based upon the teachings of Christ except to claim it is based on the teachings of Christ. Christianity is based upon the teachings of the false apostle Paul who preached his own gospel, ignoring Christs' and Christ's apostles gospel in favor of his own, which he brags about throughout the NT. Ever wonder why your church is called 'The Pauline Church?' It aint' cuz they follow Jesus! Where does Mary worship come from if not Christianity? That's a load in itself! Christianity follows any source that will provide it with one more dollar.

The doctrine and theology of the Christian church is perverted against humanity. Strife exists because of religious teachings. The minds of Christians are brain washed and perverted towards the rest of humanity. They have no true love beyond love of themselves based on their religion. God does not know Christianity exists. God is not in Christianity. God is not a Christian. I'd take a decent atheist over a blow-hard christian any time.

Christians follow their own doctrine of ridicule, spite, and hatred. Christians do not deserve nor are they entitled to positions of authority in America. Any christian or other religious twit serving in a place of authority, governor, president, general, etc., who places their religious beliefs ahead of the Constitution should go to jail for treason.

You can't prove anything in religion, whether christian or not is true. Faith means nothing. Christians had two thousand years to prove their case and they insists on remaining in the darker ages while the rest of the world moves on. There are no redeeming qualities to christianity. As one poster remarked, there was love before jesus. We did not need a jesus for love to flourish. The religion is a carnival act for faith healers and other slime willing to take money from the gullible. Humanity does not need christianity.

Everyone that disagrees with you or christianity is an atheist? How do you get the Buddha is an atheist? Last I heard that was a religious belief.

You said: 'You accept things based on faith constantly in your life today whether you know it or not. You have faith that you will have a job the next day. You have faith that your significant other will be around tommorow or still loves you. You have faith the world will not be destroyed by a giant asteroid soon. You have faith that you will not die tommorow... etc, etc etc....'

You don't even understand religious faith v. reality. You are confused over faith v. reality. You perceive the world falsely by claiming religious faith encompasses all types of faith--you do this by associating everyday occurrences with religious beliefs. It is not a religious belief to know the sun will be up tomorrow, it has always been there. Reality says the world and air will be around tomorrow because it is real. If the world is destroyed tomorrow by an asteroid, that will not be up to debate by someone in religion that thinks they know all the answers. It will be a fact, not an act of religious faith. If the world is not destroyed tomorrow, that is still fact and not a fantasy of faith over reality. Death is reality. My job is based on reality and not on the figment of imagination that I have a job. My reason for being is not based on what someone wrote in a book of fiction two thousand years ago. The flying spaghetti monster makes as much sense as your claims to faith, god and jesus.

Religion is the sewer of human growth and interaction. There are no true religions, they all preach falsehoods and deception in favor of gaining new converts. None of them speak the truth, especially christianity.

[hereticzero]

Another reason I left Christianity:

Jesus Camp

Another reason I left Christianity was due to the rise of the Christi-nazism disguising itself as a Christian ministry such as jesuscamp. Christianity is the face of fascism. Christians are even using the symbols of Nazism.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by hereticzero

Where does Mary worship come from if not Christianity? That's a load in itself! Christianity follows any source that will provide it with one more dollar.

um, Mary worship came over from the pagan mother goddess worship. during the mass conversion from paganism to christianity, Mary took the place of the "mother"...

Originally Posted by hereticzero

Religion is the sewer of human growth and interaction. There are no true religions, they all preach falsehoods and deception in favor of gaining new converts. None of them speak the truth, especially christianity.

while I will admit that plenty of religions have falsehoods and ill aspects of them, that statement is way to broad and biased to be taken seriously. You obviously have had something horrible happen to you or your family to have brought you to this point of pure hatred, but hating christianity or religion is not going to make anything better for you.

I was raised catholic, and i turned away from the church long ago because it wasn't my path. to say it is not for someone else is not my place. to say it is false is not my place. my place is to say it's not for me and put my faith, my spirituality into my own sense of being, my own path.

how do you know it is false? you certainly can't know it is definitively false anymore than anyone else can claim it's definitively true. therein lies faith. and whoever has that faith inside of them is not going to be swayed by a hateful attack on what they believe inside their hearts.

believe me, I understand some of what you say about the history of christianity and all the suffering and hate it has brought through the years on a crusade to "rid the world" of false worship. and there are plenty of aspects to which I would argue the same point, but to blanket it all together, and not see some of the good, is ignorance.

hate is blinding my friend. all things have good and bad to them, and not recognizing the good puts you in the same tunneled vision category as those who you are preaching against.

[Roonie]

Not much to say. I see you trying to justify your stance against Christianity in particular and now all religion. You will not get far full of discrimination and hatred all the things you say Christians are, you seem to be reflecting those same traits in your own writing perfectly. For someone so against all these things you seem to embrace them.

[hereticzero]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

um, Mary worship came over from the pagan mother goddess worship. during the mass conversion from paganism to christianity, Mary took the place of the "mother"...

while I will admit that plenty of religions have falsehoods and ill aspects of them, that statement is way to broad and biased to be taken seriously. You obviously have had something horrible happen to you or your family to have brought you to this point of pure hatred, but hating christianity or religion is not going to make anything better for you.

I was raised catholic, and i turned away from the church long ago because it wasn't my path. to say it is not for someone else is not my place. to say it is false is not my place. my place is to say it's not for me and put my faith, my spirituality into my own sense of being, my own path.

how do you know it is false? you certainly can't know it is definitively false anymore than anyone else can claim it's definitively true. therein lies faith. and whoever has that faith inside of them is not going to be swayed by a hateful attack on what they believe inside their hearts.

believe me, I understand some of what you say about the history of christianity and all the suffering and hate it has brought through the years on a crusade to "rid the world" of false worship. and there are plenty of aspects to which I would argue the same point, but to blanket it all together, and not see some of the good, is ignorance.

hate is blinding my friend. all things have good and bad to them, and not recognizing the good puts you in the same tunneled vision category as those who you are preaching against.

I am not blinded by religion, I woke up. You are blinded by religion and asleep in its deception. A disagreement with you and religion is not a disagreement with god.

I don't hate anyone, especially those under mind control. I object to the idiot that claims intelligent design needs to be taught in school or the Ten Commandments or any other religious propaganda be taught to my kids in a school we are forced by federal law to make them go to. It is bad enough the schools teach political propaganda without the church spreading its deceits as well. We can get away from church but not when the church is built in the school building. I'm not sending my kids to worship at school.

Christianity is false worship and it fits in nicely with the rest of the false religions going about brain washing people into their false doctrines. The only thing blinding is your obedience to fairytales and christiandoms insistence it is true and without error, in everything it teaches.

What is it about the girl getting a magical fruit from a talking snake that you want me to believe is true and without error--it is god's word after all, surely it can't be a myth? The bible reads more like a book about the dangers of prohibition than it does salvation. Genesis IS the single best example of prohibition that does not work even under penalty of death. Christians preach against the use of marijuana, which is strange considering their god made it for us to use as we choose. It is the political propaganda that the church preaches as doctrine that keeps marijuana from being enjoyed recreationally or medicinally, as god intended. Christians lie through their teeth every time they take the govt.'s stance on marijuana. But that does not keep them from lying. They are so well adapted to it.

How about Noah's ark or Jonah and the whale? Prove these happened. Or, better yet, account for the lack of righteous people in Sodom and Gomorrah. What virtues were they lacking so badly that your god reached down and smoked every single one of them? This is where Christians begin their assault on homosexuals--based on fairy tales. Those destroyed at Sodom and Gomorrah were heterosexuals that god destroyed for not being righteous, not for being queer. Name an instance in the Bible where god smote a homosexual for being a homosexual. David and Jonathon were gay lovers, yet god said nothing to David about it. The only thing god griped about was the affair David had with a WOMAN, oh the tragic consequences of it all! Then there was the camp follower whom Jesus loved more than anyone else ... Make it easy on yourself and prove Lot's daughters seduced him with alcohol. Chances are, the opposite of that story is closer to the truth. I believe Lot raped his daughters and then blamed them. Prove he did not--demonstrate how two young girls were able to seduce their father over two different nights. The stories in the OT and NT do not hold up to scrutiny.

The only horrible thing to happen to me in my life was being a brain-washed member of the southern christinazi church for so many years. Getting free of it is a breath of fresh air and new life.

I have the proof of science for my beliefs, what do you have beyond the comic book you call a bible? Where is your proof? You offer words and words about how great god and jesus are but you give no proof beyond your theology and doctrine. Where is your proof? You have none, that is your answer, so fill in gaps with nonsense about your faith and spiritual path. I don't give a crap about your spiritual path. The story of Jesus and the nonsense of christianity are too stupid to believe. you won't see it because you have installed blinders to anything of the truth based on reality. You have great comfort in your little world of make believe and never never land. Well, good for you! Go live in never never land or burn in the hell YOU believe in. Quit teaching this crap to everyone else. It is not true, it is false. You teach a dependency upon lies to get a person through life when they need to depend on themself. God is not going to save you. You are not going to be raptured out, there is nothing that special about christians to move them to the front of the line. You are stuck here for the endurance along with the rest of us.

My post was about why I left Christianity, not why you do not. I don't give a crap if you worship bugs, trees, statues, or whatever you are inclined to believe. I object to christianity in all parts of our lives. I object to providing a venue in the media through television or print for every religious whack job that comes along claiming to have the ear and voice of god. What I object to are christians trying to control this country by law and by vote. Christians are not entitled to positions of authority. Christians passing laws according to their doctrine should be tried for treason against the Constitution.

The Christian church is a pseudo-fascist group that seeks world domination by controlling the political process in every country through the false doctrine of Democracy. Christians use Democracy to infiltrate and spread their doctrines of intolerance of anything that is not Christian. When they are confronted for the nonsense they spread, they claim it is by their faith they do these stupid things and then they pass laws to protect their own ass and could care less what the rest of the population desires. Christianity seeks to muzzle any type of written criticism or artistic expression they do not like. I don't have to prove anything. If you want me to agree with you, then prove your case. If you can't prove your case then your beliefs are pointless expressions of your own ego and desires.

[hereticzero]

Originally Posted by Roonie

Not much to say. I see you trying to justify your stance against Christianity in particular and now all religion. You will not get far full of discrimination and hatred all the things you say Christians are, you seem to be reflecting those same traits in your own writing perfectly. For someone so against all these things you seem to embrace them.

you get five loonies for your post.

Your avatar tells me everything I need or want to know about you. Go practice what you preach, hypocrite!

[Roonie]

You reak of hatred against the establishment of Christianity. The exact hatred you are ascribing to Christians. This is all I am saying.

FYI... my avatar is made for fun as I laughed when I saw it. Not necessarily who I am voting for.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by hereticzero

I am not blinded by religion, I woke up. You are blinded by religion and asleep in its deception. A disagreement with you and religion is not a disagreement with god.

I don't hate anyone, especially those under mind control. I object to the idiot that claims intelligent design needs to be taught in school or the Ten Commandments or any other religious propaganda be taught to my kids in a school we are forced by federal law to make them go to. It is bad enough the schools teach political propaganda without the church spreading its deceits as well. We can get away from church but not when the church is built in the school building. I'm not sending my kids to worship at school.

Christianity is false worship and it fits in nicely with the rest of the false religions going about brain washing people into their false doctrines. The only thing blinding is your obedience to fairytales and christiandoms insistence it is true and without error, in everything it teaches.

What is it about the girl getting a magical fruit from a talking snake that you want me to believe is true and without error--it is god's word after all, surely it can't be a myth? The bible reads more like a book about the dangers of prohibition than it does salvation. Genesis IS the single best example of prohibition that does not work even under penalty of death. Christians preach against the use of marijuana, which is strange considering their god made it for us to use as we choose. It is the political propaganda that the church preaches as doctrine that keeps marijuana from being enjoyed recreationally or medicinally, as god intended. Christians lie through their teeth every time they take the govt.'s stance on marijuana. But that does not keep them from lying. They are so well adapted to it.

How about Noah's ark or Jonah and the whale? Prove these happened. Or, better yet, account for the lack of righteous people in Sodom and Gomorrah. What virtues were they lacking so badly that your god reached down and smoked every single one of them? This is where Christians begin their assault on homosexuals--based on fairy tales. Those destroyed at Sodom and Gomorrah were heterosexuals that god destroyed for not being righteous, not for being queer. Name an instance in the Bible where god smote a homosexual for being a homosexual. David and Jonathon were gay lovers, yet god said nothing to David about it. The only thing god griped about was the affair David had with a WOMAN, oh the tragic consequences of it all! Then there was the camp follower whom Jesus loved more than anyone else ... Make it easy on yourself and prove Lot's daughters seduced him with alcohol. Chances are, the opposite of that story is closer to the truth. I believe Lot raped his daughters and then blamed them. Prove he did not--demonstrate how two young girls were able to seduce their father over two different nights. The stories in the OT and NT do not hold up to scrutiny.

The only horrible thing to happen to me in my life was being a brain-washed member of the southern christinazi church for so many years. Getting free of it is a breath of fresh air and new life.

I have the proof of science for my beliefs, what do you have beyond the comic book you call a bible? Where is your proof? You offer words and words about how great god and jesus are but you give no proof beyond your theology and doctrine. Where is your proof? You have none, that is your answer, so fill in gaps with nonsense about your faith and spiritual path. I don't give a crap about your spiritual path. The story of Jesus and the nonsense of christianity are too stupid to believe. you won't see it because you have installed blinders to anything of the truth based on reality. You have great comfort in your little world of make believe and never never land. Well, good for you! Go live in never never land or burn in the hell YOU believe in. Quit teaching this crap to everyone else. It is not true, it is false. You teach a dependency upon lies to get a person through life when they need to depend on themself. God is not going to save you. You are not going to be raptured out, there is nothing that special about christians to move them to the front of the line. You are stuck here for the endurance along with the rest of us.

My post was about why I left Christianity, not why you do not. I don't give a crap if you worship bugs, trees, statues, or whatever you are inclined to believe. I object to christianity in all parts of our lives. I object to providing a venue in the media through television or print for every religious whack job that comes along claiming to have the ear and voice of god. What I object to are christians trying to control this country by law and by vote. Christians are not entitled to positions of authority. Christians passing laws according to their doctrine should be tried for treason against the Constitution.

The Christian church is a pseudo-fascist group that seeks world domination by controlling the political process in every country through the false doctrine of Democracy. Christians use Democracy to infiltrate and spread their doctrines of intolerance of anything that is not Christian. When they are confronted for the nonsense they spread, they claim it is by their faith they do these stupid things and then they pass laws to protect their own ass and could care less what the rest of the population desires. Christianity seeks to muzzle any type of written criticism or artistic expression they do not like. I don't have to prove anything. If you want me to agree with you, then prove your case. If you can't prove your case then your beliefs are pointless expressions of your own ego and desires.

wow dude. you are a fucking lunatic.

how many times do I have to say this, I'M NOT CHRISTIAN.

i'm the OPPOSITE OF CHRISTIAN, and yet, you still associate me as that, saying i believe in the bible and yadda yadda yadda.

get a fucking grip! you're tearing down all religious institutions and beliefs because you have a problem with one religion.

what about judism? what about buddism? islam? taoism? paganism? what about all the other thousands of religions in the world? you are focusing all your hate on one religion and ripping it apart unsuccessfully. your hate is clouding any reason you try to give. you can't even be rational about it.

and this is coming from me. anyone on this board knows by now what my religion is, but it obvious you associate anyone who disagrees with you as a christian.

and you sir, are a fool.

[hereticzero]

Originally Posted by Roonie

You reak of hatred against the establishment of Christianity. The exact hatred you are ascribing to Christians. This is all I am saying.

FYI... my avatar is made for fun as I laughed when I saw it. Not necessarily who I am voting for.

It's not about what you are voting for, it is the representation of the person behind the avatar. How can you display yourself with a raised middle finger. It suggests immediately that it is going to be your opinion and fu** anyone that disagrees with you. Christianity is untrue, so I left.

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by hereticzero

It's not about what you are voting for, it is the representation of the person behind the avatar. How can you display yourself with a raised middle finger. It suggests immediately that it is going to be your opinion and fu** anyone that disagrees with you. Christianity is untrue, so I left.

I see it as Hillary Clinton saying fuck off to everyone with a beer in her hand since everyone gives her so much grief on both sides. If it was my picture up there holding a beer and flipping you off, then I would agree with you.


Is this better....... Again more poking fun, this time with Bush.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by hereticzero

It's not about what you are voting for, it is the representation of the person behind the avatar. How can you display yourself with a raised middle finger. It suggests immediately that it is going to be your opinion and fu** anyone that disagrees with you. Christianity is untrue, so I left.

i think it's funny. it doesn't suggest anything other than poking fun at hillary.

[hereticzero]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

wow dude. you are a fucking lunatic.

how many times do I have to say this, I'M NOT CHRISTIAN.

i'm the OPPOSITE OF CHRISTIAN, and yet, you still associate me as that, saying i believe in the bible and yadda yadda yadda.

get a fucking grip! you're tearing down all religious institutions and beliefs because you have a problem with one religion.

what about judism? what about buddism? islam? taoism? paganism? what about all the other thousands of religions in the world? you are focusing all your hate on one religion and ripping it apart unsuccessfully. your hate is clouding any reason you try to give. you can't even be rational about it.

and this is coming from me. anyone on this board knows by now what my religion is, but it obvious you associate anyone who disagrees with you as a christian.

and you sir, are a fool.

Here's a few loonies for you, too.

I am not a fucking lunatic as you so eloquently wrote in your rant above. Lunatics are delusional, usually religious, I am neither.

I don't have a problem with just one religion. If you read any of my posts, you would know that. I don't find a saving grace in any religion. You take exception to me not believing someone's rants about faith. It is not lunacy to take a stand against religion. It is delusional to accept religion.

No one has proved their point. If you defend a lie then you are part of the problem. If you ride with a gang you hang with the gang. I don't care if you are a christian or not. It is not about hate, it is about being deceived but you can't see that either, because you are deceived--you continue to carry your brain-washed faith on your sleeves and shit yourself every time someone mentions they don't believe in christianity or other religions. A disagreement with you equals hatred? Anyone sucking up to religion deserves ridicule. I lumped you with the christians because even though you left the church of catholicism you still cling to your faith. How noble! How hypocritical!

You left the church because you did not believe their crap either or you would have stayed in the church. Yet you give me crap about explaining why I left the church. The post was about me, not about you. I don't give a crap what you believe. I did not come to your thread and attack you, you came to mine, so piss off.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by hereticzero

Here's a few loonies for you, too.

I am not a fucking lunatic as you so eloquently wrote in your rant above. Lunatics are delusional, usually religious, I am neither.

I don't have a problem with just one religion. If you read any of my posts, you would know that. I don't find a saving grace in any religion. You take exception to me not believing someone's rants about faith. It is not lunacy to take a stand against religion. It is delusional to accept religion.

No one has proved their point. If you defend a lie then you are part of the problem. If you ride with a gang you hang with the gang. I don't care if you are a christian or not. It is not about hate, it is about being deceived but you can't see that either, because you are deceived--you continue to carry your brain-washed faith on your sleeves and shit yourself every time someone mentions they don't believe in christianity or other religions. A disagreement with you equals hatred? Anyone sucking up to religion deserves ridicule. I lumped you with the christians because even though you left the church of catholicism you still cling to your faith. How noble! How hypocritical!

You left the church because you did not believe their crap either or you would have stayed in the church. Yet you give me crap about explaining why I left the church. The post was about me, not about you. I don't give a crap what you believe. I did not come to your thread and attack you, you came to mine, so piss off.

i'm not giving you crap because you're "explaining" why you left the church. you're spewing hate about religion and your inability to see anything positive in religion or faith. so you think anyone that believes in any greater force than themselves in the world is crazy?

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i'm not giving you crap because you're "explaining" why you left the church. you're spewing hate about religion and your inability to see anything positive in religion or faith. so you think anyone that believes in any greater force than themselves in the world is crazy?

exactly.......

its like he is a jilted ex-lover of the Church going for broke in divorce courts. Good luck with that.