Will Hillary go 3rd party if she loses the nomination?

Stylerod · 12-14-2007, 01:08 PM

Listening to the radio on the way home this afternoon and this was being discussed. That if Hillary doesn't get nominated there is no way she will wait another 8 years to run (assuming whoever is in gets a 2nd term) and she will run on a 3rd party ticket. What do you think?

I'm thinking it's all about how shallow she is. Of course, she and her supporters would call it committed. But her running 3rd party would mean the Democrats would have almost no chance of winning. I think a lot of votes would go to her and Obama and make it that much easier for a republican to win. If she cares more for her party than herself she would not run.

WickedLou9 · 12-14-2007, 01:12 PM

I don't think she will go 3rd party. I think she will end up teaming up ( in some fashion) with Obama if he wins.

7960 · 12-14-2007, 01:14 PM

Will Hillary go 3rd party if she loses the nomination?

No. She'll back out and stop seeking the nomination in hopes it'll improve her chances in 2012.

motivez · 12-14-2007, 01:15 PM

I don't think there's any way she'll run third party tbh. I think it's unlikely she'd risk the scorn and ill will involved in doing that, but I think you're right about her not running in 8 years.. she'll be pretty old by then.. almost ~~as old as John McCain is now~~ 70.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 01:17 PM

I don't think it would be shallow of her. I would commend her and any other candidate who wishes to run third party to do so. We need to break the cycle of the two party system. I think Ron Paul should run third party as well, not that he might win, but he brings a lot of good values to the debate.

I'm not sure if she'll run third party. I've heard a lot of reports from people close to the Clintons that they had a plan they weren't shy about to both be president going back to his governor years. She has been wanting the White House for a long time. Hell she stayed with Bill and put up with all the shame and humility he put her through during his career in politics so she could one day get this far. I'm not too sure how she'd back down, but I can't picture her running third party.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I don't think there's any way she'll run third party tbh. I think it's unlikely she'd risk the scorn and ill will involved in doing that, but I think you're right about her not running in 8 years.. she'll be pretty old by then.. almost ~~as old as John McCain is now~~ 70.

As long as she continues to look younger than she is I don't think it would hurt her too much. She could botox it up for 8 years.

kinggovernor · 12-14-2007, 01:26 PM

I don't think she would, but it would be interesting.

Stylerod · 12-14-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I don't think it would be shallow of her. I would commend her and any other candidate who wishes to run third party to do so. We need to break the cycle of the two party system. I think Ron Paul should run third party as well, not that he might win, but he brings a lot of good values to the debate.

I'm not sure if she'll run third party. I've heard a lot of reports from people close to the Clintons that they had a plan they weren't shy about to both be president going back to his governor years. She has been wanting the White House for a long time. Hell she stayed with Bill and put up with all the shame and humility he put her through during his career in politics so she could one day get this far. I'm not too sure how she'd back down, but I can't picture her running third party.

Can two people run as 3rd party? Or would that be 4th party?

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Can two people run as 3rd party? Or would that be 4th party?

If they're both running Independent it would be the same party

Ardentfrost · 12-14-2007, 01:43 PM

No way she'll run 3rd party, it would take away votes from the Democratic candidate and fuck the party in the election. That would sully her name forever.

7960 · 12-14-2007, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I don't think it would be shallow of her. I would commend her and any other candidate who wishes to run third party to do so. We need to break the cycle of the two party system.

But she'd still be her old democrat self just running under a different name.

That woudln't "break the 2 party system."

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

But she'd still be her old democrat self just running under a different name.

That woudln't "break the 2 party system."

Doesn't matter to me, it gives us options. And it helps people with slightly different views to break off a bit. We saw it with Lieberman. It's a good thing. We need more politicians who are willing to stand up without the support of their party and say what they believe.

RMNIXON · 12-14-2007, 05:41 PM

I think if she loses the nomination we will hear the words of the real Hillary Clinton and it will be ugly!

That will be the end of it. Already the signs of being the aged baby boomer are in play. Go Home old Hippie!

Thorgrim · 12-14-2007, 06:37 PM

She's young she can easily run in 4-8 years...she'll be 68

It's absolutely ridiculous to think she would run 3rd party...th democrats at the iowa debate all agreed with each other on 99% of the issues

That's like saying if Fred Thompson loses to John McCain, he'll run third party

what?

Ardentfrost · 12-14-2007, 08:54 PM

No one says that a third party has to be any different that the main party. She can run Independent on her same platform and try for prez. The reason she WON'T is because both her and her husband have major ties to the democratic party, and running independent would hurt them.

JaJae · 12-14-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

No one says that a third party has to be any different that the main party. She can run Independent on her same platform and try for prez. The reason she WON'T is because both her and her husband have major ties to the democratic party, and running independent would hurt them.

Which is a very good point and I would agree. If she ran third party and took votes from the Dem candidate her political career would take a rather large nose dive. As Thorgrim said her views are basically the same as Edwards/Obama. If she runs against them it would be pointless and only hurt the party.

However, if someone like Paul ran it would be on a different platform and might not necessarily hurt his career. It might actually help him get his name out there. His views are so different from the other people on stage. The same would go for Kucinich, he'd take a hit for running, but not nearly as badly as Hillary would. She's already a polarizing figure.

In the end I think we can all see where Hillary's campaign is going to end up. She did very well on her name recognition and media pontification, much better than I thought she would. But she's still a dangerous ticket. The media has been very generous with her. She has more baggage than any other Democrat on stage, yet they've left her past basically untouched and focused on the current issues. In a national election she wouldn't have that luxury from the GOP. She won't even get the VP slot I wouldn't think. Edwards/Obama did too good of a job separating themselves from her to go back now and include her.

7960 · 12-14-2007, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

However, if someone like Paul ran it would be on a different platform and might not necessarily hurt his career. It might actually help him get his name out there.

It would not hurt his career at all.

She won't even get the VP slot I wouldn't think. Edwards/Obama did too good of a job separating themselves from her to go back now and include her.

She's got no chance at VP, either. Imagine trying to be president with hillary and bill as VP.........(bear with me here).......the president's subordinate's husband would have more clout than him! That would suck for trying to get things done.

tbone · 12-14-2007, 11:44 PM

If she can't get enough democrats to support her to get the nomination, she really would have no shot of winning the Presidency as an independent IMO.

Thorgrim · 12-15-2007, 12:32 AM

no one wants hillary as a VP...and thats not a slam on her

and what's going to be funny is all those people...who...if RP doesn't run...and many others who were just saying 08 would be too partisan...

all these people who said "you know what, I can't stand Hillary, oh sure Obama, now he's a charismatic fellow, seems honest, oh yeah I'd really lean towards voting for him...especially if it's someone really partisan Republican he's against...but no I don't think it'll happen because Hillary will be it and I can't vote for Hillary"

Now, it's probably going to be Rudy or Huckabee (too fluid to tell otherwise)

All those people in 6 months, if it's Obama vs Rudy or Huckabee are going to go "Oh man did you see all that stuff they dug up on Obama, oh I can't vote for him, i'm voting republican"

Many will be too adverse to shame to admit it when the time comes, but when the votes come in and...surprise, his numbers match those Hillary was posting about a month ago against the GOP, you'll know that whole "anti-Hillary" thing was overblown, and the whole "I'd consider Obama" was a pack of lies

tbone · 12-15-2007, 01:27 PM

Then vote for "Hillobama"!

They secretly mated to produce a super democrat to run for the 2048 election.