More stupid NJ crap

[JaJae]

Basically our governor Corzine is on vacation so once again NJ is stuck with "Acting Governor Codey" who has no problems filling in the governor seat. Last time he was "acting governor" when McGreevey resigned he passed himself a law stating that acting governors become full governors. He already signed into law a bill that states all expecting mothers must be tested for HIV.

He's at it again, this time he signed a bill that bans the internet to sex offenders. Basically if a sex offender uses the internet they could get 18 months in jail and a $10k fine.

NJ also recently passed a new privacy law that basically says it's illegal for a business to not truncate credit card numbers AND remove expiration dates on credit card receipts. The company we use only truncates the credit card number. They have no hardware that will remove the date because it's a meaningless thing to have if the card number has been truncated. We have been trying for two weeks now to figure out a way to remove the date to no avail. Our ATM machine we're getting switched over asap at our expense. NJ allows lawsuits up to $1k against the business for EACH receipt that is turned in that is not in compliance with their bullshit law. Lawyers like John Edwards are having a field day on this one...

Section 1681c(g) of FACTA prohibits businesses that
accept credit or debit cards from including “more than
the last 5 digits of the card number or the expiration
date” on electronically printed receipts provided to the
customer at the point of sale or transaction. According
to the complaints, each electronically printed receipt
containing more than the last five digits of a credit or
debit card number or a card’s expiration date violates
§ 1681c(g). Plaintiffs repeat boilerplate conclusions that
the conduct was knowing and willful, and seek statutory
damages of $100 (minimum) to $1,000 (maximum) for
each violation alleged, plus punitive damages and
attorneys’ fees. (Plaintiffs do not allege negligence
(15 U.S.C. § 1681o), nor do they seek actual damages.)

WTF New Jersey?

We also just got a tax in the mail. It starts off in BIG BOLD LETTERS saying it is not a tax. But when you read the letter it states we owe the state X amount of dollars for "assessing" our payroll. How is that not a tax? You can't fool me! We already pay payroll taxes. What a piece of shit state...

[RMNIXON]

Nothing personal JaJae, but I @ NJ!

[JaJae]

This isn't even the half of it...

[WickedLou9]

They gotta fill that monolithic budget gap somehow am I right?

They have been in the process of repaving route 295 in it's entirety for the past 4 years I think. It doesn't need repaving in most places.

[bheld]

Corruption much? The misleading swipe at Edwards aside, I feel bad for you. Your state government sucks.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by bheld

Corruption much? The misleading swipe at Edwards aside, I feel bad for you. Your state government sucks.

off topic, but Edwards is well known to have been a shady ambulance chasing attorney. This is exactly the kind of law, a pointless law that is hard to impliment, that would have an attorney like him salivating.

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Publius

off topic, but Edwards is well known to have been a shady ambulance chasing attorney. This is exactly the kind of law, a pointless law that is hard to impliment, that would have an attorney like him salivating.

"Well-known" as in repeated endlessly in a disingenuous media meme? What's next? Mention of the $400 haircut? A big house?

The biggest victory the corporations have won in the PR arena is the coup they pulled in equating any bit of consumer protection into "ambulance chasing."

[Publius]

Originally Posted by bheld

"Well-known" as in repeated endlessly in a disingenuous media meme? What's next? Mention of the $400 haircut? A big house?

The biggest victory the corporations have won in the PR arena is the coup they pulled in equating any bit of consumer protection into "ambulance chasing."

He made most of his money off of cerebral palsy cases of questionable merit. Unlike my particular palsy (brachial plexus, or "erb's palsy") there is no study which creates a definite link between birth trauma and cerebral palsy, a fact that Edwards glossed over in his cases.

All you have to do is look at his track record as a trial lawyer to see that he is an ambulance chaser of the highest degree. No "PR coup" is necessary.

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Publius

He made most of his money off of cerebral palsy cases of questionable merit. Unlike my particular palsy (brachial plexus, or "erb's palsy") there is no study which creates a definite link between birth trauma and cerebral palsy, a fact that Edwards glossed over in his cases.

All you have to do is look at his track record as a trial lawyer to see that he is an ambulance chaser of the highest degree. No "PR coup" is necessary.

If you want to attack somebody for being dishonest, pointing to cases that they've won in a court of law in front of a judge and jury isn't exactly the best way to do it.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by bheld

If you want to attack somebody for being dishonest, pointing to cases that they've won in a court of law in front of a judge and jury isn't exactly the best way to do it.

yes, because winning lawyers NEVER manipulate facts to win their cases.



Also, when have I ever said he was dishonest? You don't have to outright lie to be an ambulance chasing douchebag, you simply have to have low standards for cases you'll take on along with a willingness to omit or otherwise manipulate the facts of the case. He used emotional pleas and juxtaposition of facts ("there was birth trauma. the child has cerebral palsy." both facts and the juxtaposition of the statements implies causality, but with no scientific backing of a causal link) to win cases with very little actual merit.

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Publius

yes, because winning lawyers NEVER manipulate facts to win their cases.



Also, when have I ever said he was dishonest? You don't have to outright lie to be an ambulance chasing douchebag, you simply have to have low standards for cases you'll take on along with a willingness to omit or otherwise manipulate the facts of the case. He used emotional pleas and juxtaposition of facts ("there was birth trauma. the child has cerebral palsy." both facts and the juxtaposition of the statements implies causality, but with no scientific backing of a causal link) to win cases with very little actual merit.

So you're arguing that he truthfully misled juries throughout his stellar career?

[Publius]

Originally Posted by bheld

So you're arguing that he truthfully misled juries throughout his stellar career?

I'm arguing that he manipulated the system by arguing cases with no merit and no basis in fact from an emotional appeal viewpoint. In the other thread we're both active in you talk about how manipulating the system is a bad thing, yet you're saying Edwards was a stellar example of an attorney here for doing the exact same thing.

[bheld]

Originally Posted by Publius

I'm arguing that he manipulated the system by arguing cases with no merit and no basis in fact from an emotional appeal viewpoint. In the other thread we're both active in you talk about how manipulating the system is a bad thing, yet you're saying Edwards was a stellar example of an attorney here for doing the exact same thing.

He's operating within the parameters of the legal system. Cases with no merit and no basis in fact do not make it past discovery. You can spin it however you'd like but good lawyers do not go out of their way to take frivolous cases, nor do judges let those cases make it to trial.

That's pretty much all I have to say about that. If you'd care to discuss the ins and outs of the legal system we can do so in a separate thread.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by bheld

He's operating within the parameters of the legal system. Cases with no merit and no basis in fact do not make it past discovery.

Ambulance chasing is legal. And cases with no merit or basis can get past discovery.. especially when you appeal to emotion and manipulate the facts as Edwards did.