MS-13 defaces veteran's memorial with "Kill Whites"

[jthomas]

I hope I am posting this in the correct place. I am so frustrated and furious about this!!!!!!

Please check out this video!
VIDEO: MS-13 defaces veteran's memorial with "Kill Whites" in New Haven, CT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1U854PyaQS0

I found this here:
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Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) gang, which is the main importer of illegal aliens, meth, and cocaine into the United States has vandalized a veteran's memorial in New Haven, CT.

You may remember that New Haven, CT has given illegal immigrants ID cards and that ALIPAC made national press for our fliers encouraging illegals to go to New Haven, CT.

It appears that MS13 has set up shop in New Haven, to import illegal aliens and service them with documents, drugs, prostitutes, etc...

Many of us wonder why the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League (ADL) refuse to declare the murderous MS-13 as a hate group, since they are killing black and white Americans for racist reasons.

This is the kind of thing you can expect more of when your Mayor and city council welcome illegal aliens, foster illegal immigration, and the drug and human gangs that make it all happen.

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MS-13 gang racists kill whites veterans memorial new haven
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1U854PyaQS0

[WickedLou9]

Looks like more sensationalistic garbage to me. It's clearly anti immigration masquerading as being against crime. They lump illegal immigrants in with drug dealers and hookers, it tries to associate racism, violence against americans and such with illegal immigrants.

Crime is bad. Illegal gangs are bad. Drug dealers are bad. These things are already illegal. What does any of this have to do with illegal immigration? NOTHING. What does this gang have to do with people who enter the country illegally? Nothing. Why did you try and use this particular gang as a spring board to speak out against illegal immigration? Are you not aware that the reason illegal human trafficing gangs like this exist is because we crack down on illegal immigration? The very policies you speak out against will help get rid of gangs like the MS-13 gang. So are you against the crime or are you against immigation? They are not the same thing.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Looks like more sensationalistic garbage to me. It's clearly anti immigration masquerading as being against crime. They lump illegal immigrants in with drug dealers and hookers, it tries to associate racism, violence against americans and such with illegal immigrants.
...The very policies you speak out against will help get rid of gangs like the MS-13 gang. So are you against the crime or are you against immigation? They are not the same thing.

ILLEGAL immigration IS a crime. ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are violating the law.

The MS-13 is a foreign gang that is actively involved with smuggling people and drugs across the border, and they are tied up with the 'reconquista' movement... I.e.... kill whitey and take his land.


That being said, I do not think that the MS-13 did this vandalism. I suspect white nationalists are behind this... like the cases where Jewish people have been caught painting swastikas on their property then reporting the 'racist' attacks.

NOTE- Of course there are cases where anti-white and anti-Jewish graffiti has been genuinely racially motivated, but this case looks like an inside job.

What MS-13er in their right mind would do something to piss off the cranky and well armed vets and patriots.

They work best in the dark, like the cockroaches that they are. In the light they get squished.

[Phantom]

MS-13 is mostly useless teenagers getting together and doing generic delinquent stuff. We have plenty of them around here since half of el salvador has immigrated to the washington dc area.

You give them waay too much credit.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

ILLEGAL immigration IS a crime. ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are violating the law.

The MS-13 is a foreign gang that is actively involved with smuggling people and drugs across the border, and they are tied up with the 'reconquista' movement... I.e.... kill whitey and take his land.


That being said, I do not think that the MS-13 did this vandalism. I suspect white nationalists are behind this... like the cases where Jewish people have been caught painting swastikas on their property then reporting the 'racist' attacks.

NOTE- Of course there are cases where anti-white and anti-Jewish graffiti has been genuinely racially motivated, but this case looks like an inside job.

What MS-13er in their right mind would do something to piss off the cranky and well armed vets and patriots.

They work best in the dark, like the cockroaches that they are. In the light they get squished.

Why did you use the central american gang , the MS-13, as an illustration as to why illegal immigration is bad? Are you saying that all illegal immigrants are drug dealers? Or perhaps that if we crack down on illegal immigrants that we won't have these gangs? What are you really trying to say here? You seem confused and you are using dishonest methods to try and scare people to your viewpoint. OH no! Illegal immigrants are drug dealing pimps that want to attack americans and deface our property and dishonor the memories of our veterans... What total bullshit.

Yes illegal immigration is a problem. Yes we need to do soemthing about it. No we don't need bigoted people like you trying to convince everyone that illegal immigrants bring drugs, hookers and violence to the country. We got plenty of all 3 already and it's got nothing to do with immigration.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Phantom

MS-13 is mostly useless teenagers getting together and doing generic delinquent stuff. We have plenty of them around here since half of el salvador has immigrated to the washington dc area.

You give them waay too much credit.

The MS-13 was started by revolutionaries trained by US special forces at the School of the Americas. They are very active in the majority of US states. They are massacring black gangs and taking over the lion share of the US illicit drug market.

Even the US military has gang units designed to investigate MS-13 activities within our own military. They are getting weapons training with the intent of using it for gang warfare, and they are getting the numbers to make them a plausible threat for military coup.

Stick your head in the sand if you like, but they are the most powerful street gang in the world right now.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

The MS-13 was started by revolutionaries trained by US special forces at the School of the Americas. They are very active in the majority of US states. They are massacring black gangs and taking over the lion share of the US illicit drug market.

Even the US military has gang units designed to investigate MS-13 activities within our own military. They are getting weapons training with the intent of using it for gang warfare, and they are getting the numbers to make them a plausible threat for military coup.

Stick your head in the sand if you like, but they are the most powerful street gang in the world right now.

Do you care to offer ANY proof to back up your assertions?

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Yes illegal immigration is a problem. Yes we need to do soemthing about it. No we don't need bigoted people like you trying to convince everyone that illegal immigrants bring drugs, hookers and violence to the country. We got plenty of all 3 already and it's got nothing to do with immigration.

Calling me a bigot is very dishonest. You are implying a racial angle where none exists.

Going by your logic, if we had completely secure borders in the US, we would still have a big cocaine market.

It is a fact that 99+% of cocaine is smuggled into this country from S.America. The majority of cannabis is smuggled from Mexico, the Caribbean and S. America.

It is a fact that a large percent of all drugs smuggled into this country com from illegal border crossings.

It is a fact that legal immigrants bring drugs, hookers and violence to the country. It would take you but a moment to verify this with thousands of real world reports through Google.

What you are wiggling for is to discount illegal immigrant crime by implying that since not all crimes are done by illegal immigrants, stopping illegal immigrants will have no impact on crime.

Just ridiculous....

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Why did you use the central american gang , the MS-13, as an illustration as to why illegal immigration is bad? Are you saying that all illegal immigrants are drug dealers? Or perhaps that if we crack down on illegal immigrants that we won't have these gangs? What are you really trying to say here? You seem confused and you are using dishonest methods to try and scare people to your viewpoint. OH no! Illegal immigrants are drug dealing pimps that want to attack americans and deface our property and dishonor the memories of our veterans... What total bullshit.

Yes illegal immigration is a problem. Yes we need to do soemthing about it. No we don't need bigoted people like you trying to convince everyone that illegal immigrants bring drugs, hookers and violence to the country. We got plenty of all 3 already and it's got nothing to do with immigration.

did you read what he wrote or just the OP?

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

Calling me a bigot is very dishonest. You are implying a racial angle where none exists.

Going by your logic, if we had completely secure borders in the US, we would still have a big cocaine market.

It is a fact that 99+% of cocaine is smuggled into this country from S.America. The majority of cannabis is smuggled from Mexico, the Caribbean and S. America.

It is a fact that a large percent of all drugs smuggled into this country com from illegal border crossings.

It is a fact that legal immigrants bring drugs, hookers and violence to the country. It would take you but a moment to verify this with thousands of real world reports through Google.

What you are wiggling for is to discount illegal immigrant crime by implying that since not all crimes are done by illegal immigrants, stopping illegal immigrants will have no impact on crime.

Just ridiculous....

Illegal immigration has nothing to do with the drug trade. You will never secure all of our borders, it's a logistical impossibility, and stopping illegal immigration doesn't require it anyway. And no, stoping illegal immiration WON'T impact our crime rates at all. I would actually assert that the converse would be true. If you make it really hard to get into the country, it will open the door for more gangs like the MS-13 to start smuggling people into the country and making them pay huge fees to do it. Then these people will be on the hook to violent gangs for large sums of money and will be more likely turn to crime themselves to pay off thier ill begoten debts.
This is actually already happening.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Illegal immigration has nothing to do with the drug trade. You will never secure all of our borders, it's a logistical impossibility, and stopping illegal immigration doesn't require it anyway. And no, stoping illegal immiration WON'T impact our crime rates at all. I would actually assert that the converse would be true. If you make it really hard to get into the country, it will open the door for more gangs like the MS-13 to start smuggling people into the country and making them pay huge fees to do it. Then these people will be on the hook to violent gangs for large sums of money and will be more likely turn to crime themselves to pay off thier ill begoten debts.
This is actually already happening.

lol again, he hardly mentioned illegal immigrants in his post, you really need to read more write less

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Publius

Do you care to offer ANY proof to back up your assertions?

ms13 school of the americas - Google Search

FBI details threat from gangs in military: Says members of Illinois | Chicago Sun-Times | Find Articles at BNET.com

Exclusive: Gangs Spreading In The Military, CBS News Talks To The Family Of A U.S. Soldier Killed In Gang Initiation - CBS News

Army Transfers Could Trigger A Gang War - March 16, 2006 - The New York Sun

Police: Marine who killed cop was gang member, not war-stress victim | Chicago Sun-Times | Find Articles at BNET.com

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

And no, stoping illegal immiration WON'T impact our crime rates at all. I would actually assert that the converse would be true.

I would have to strongly disagree. Excluding the nature of illegal immigrants coming here illegally, not paying taxes, stealing identities and everything else they do to survive illegally in this country there are also many other crimes associated with illegal aliens. They are generally poor, less educated and often desperate. Regardless of their legal status this is a recipe for crime in any race, culture or region.

It is also important to note that MS-13 is by far the fastest growing violent gang in America.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Phantom

MS-13 is mostly useless teenagers getting together and doing generic delinquent stuff. We have plenty of them around here since half of el salvador has immigrated to the washington dc area.

You give them waay too much credit.

The MS-13 member that was thrown in jail for 7 years for robbing two people at knife point in fairfax when i was waiting in court wasn't "generic delinquent stuff"

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by hsmith

The MS-13 member that was thrown in jail for 7 years for robbing two people at knife point in fairfax when i was waiting in court wasn't "generic delinquent stuff"

I think it depends on the person and the region. I've met a couple stupid kids in an affluent area where I work who claimed to be MS13 and they looked like they were more interested in guitar hero than belonging in a gang. In other places they can be far more dangerous. Overall they are probably the most dangerous gang in America right now.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Illegal immigration has nothing to do with the drug trade. You will never secure all of our borders, it's a logistical impossibility, and stopping illegal immigration doesn't require it anyway. And no, stoping illegal immiration WON'T impact our crime rates at all. I would actually assert that the converse would be true. If you make it really hard to get into the country, it will open the door for more gangs like the MS-13 to start smuggling people into the country and making them pay huge fees to do it. Then these people will be on the hook to violent gangs for large sums of money and will be more likely turn to crime themselves to pay off thier ill begoten debts.
This is actually already happening.

You are suffering from cognitive dissonance.

I will not waste my time spoon feeding you.... suffice it to say there have been several high profile incidents of illegal aliens being busted transporting drugs across the border and only a completely detached individual would deny that it occurs.

it will open the door for more gangs like the MS-13 to start smuggling people into the country and making them pay huge fees to do it. T

Where have you been! This is precisely what is happening now! Ever heard of "Coyotes"? That is what they do! They often run white slavery prostitution rings in the US with their illegal cargo.

Really.... it would take just a moment to find thousands of news hits on this.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

And no, stoping illegal immiration WON'T impact our crime rates at all. I would actually assert that the converse would be true.

Illegal aliens murder
12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total
U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan
WorldNetDaily: Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily


More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says


More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says (OneNewsNow.com)

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I think it depends on the person and the region. I've met a couple stupid kids in an affluent area where I work who claimed to be MS13 and they looked like they were more interested in guitar hero than belonging in a gang. In other places they can be far more dangerous. Overall they are probably the most dangerous gang in America right now.

I think there are kids in "gangs" and then there are people that are really in gangs.

Northern VA isn't a dangerous area, but still - MS-13 is here. They aren't nearly as bad as some areas, but I still think nationally they are a problem that we need to deal with.

Gangs are pretty bad up where I am from in MD, north of Baltimore. Something really needs to be done about them. But we all know how they get their money, selling drugs, something no politician wants to touch.