McCain Ties Giuliani Nationwide, Equals Romney in New Hampshire - Page 2

Linzyhop · 01-08-2008, 09:57 AM

let's put it this way. all the candidates are religious/christian in some way. for me, I think although McCain might be christian, he follows the law first and foremost. he wouldn't let his religious background influence his decisions toward law. rereading this, it doesn't sound exactly how i'd like to put it, but even though there are issues that I differ with his stance, I'd still rather have him in office, than any other candidate. I trust him. i trust he would do what's best for the US, not just his interests or the people that put him there, he would do what is best for the country, even if it's not the best for him.

SoFlaJDM · 01-08-2008, 10:18 AM

mccain should just enjoy it while it lasts... he's got no chance in a general election

Linzyhop · 01-08-2008, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

mccain should just enjoy it while it lasts... he's got no chance in a general election

he's got more chance than some.

SoFlaJDM · 01-08-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

he's got more chance than some.

so does ron paul, what's your point?

Linzyhop · 01-08-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

so does ron paul, what's your point?

there might be plenty of RP internet groupies out there, which is fine, but RP doesn't have a tangible chance at winning the nomination. McCain does. he's in the top 3. don't be naive.

motivez · 01-08-2008, 02:22 PM

You haven't really said anything that distinguishes McCain from other candidates (like Edwards, Obama, etc) unless you're a pretty conservative person, want the war in Iraq to continue for the next 100 years (his words), and so forth on various social issues..

I guess I took you for being more liberally minded (given your religion) than to vote for someone who's claiming to be as conservative as McCain is trying to be these days.

Linzyhop · 01-08-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

You haven't really said anything that distinguishes McCain from other candidates (like Edwards, Obama, etc) unless you're a pretty conservative person, want the war in Iraq to continue for the next 100 years (his words), and so forth on various social issues..

I guess I took you for being more liberally minded (given your religion) than to vote for someone who's claiming to be as conservative as McCain is trying to be these days.

i'm independent. i have a little of both sides. i like what mccain says about the illegal immigration issue. i think he's actually right about the war, and if anyone has the experience to handle the situation in the middle east, it's mccain. i don't know if withdrawing immediately is the right step. I trust mccain with what he says.

he's not as conservative as you say anyway. he listens to reason and sense. he's not pigheaded like others.

i just like him. i feel he's the right person to lead us for the next 4-8 years. plenty will agree/disagree, that's what we have the voting process for.

RMNIXON · 01-08-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i still like him the most and trust him the most out of other candidates on either side and he's getting my vote.

He seems to come across much more calm and likable these days. He did well in the last debate. I guess that sudden leap in the polls was good for his temperment?

I think the major problem is going to be illegal immigration. However, next to any of the big three Democrats he would push for a tougher deal and Republicans know that. Whatever Democrat gets elected, if it happens, will be obligated to kiss Ted Kennedy's butt on healthcare and illegal immigration. McCain will not be a total sellout.

motivez · 01-09-2008, 12:38 PM

His speech was horrible last night, he seems old and tired, there's no enthusiasm.

Linzyhop · 01-09-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

His speech was horrible last night, he seems old and tired, there's no enthusiasm.

you know, i disagree. i think when you view a candidates speech, your opinion of the candidate is going to influence what you think.... I thought he was in control, not getting overly excited (pulling a Dean) and thanking everyone and talking about what he wanted to do. i thought it was a good speech. i bit long, but good.

In contrast, Hillary's speech seemed boring with no enthusiasm. she didn't seem like she was actually happy she became the comeback kid.....

its all a matter of opinion in the end.

motivez · 01-09-2008, 01:13 PM

Pretty much everyone who's commented on the speech has said the same thing about McCain's, so I'm hardly alone in my opinion, and I'm only judging his speech, not his positions

I also thought Hillary's was boring and didn't have enough enthusiasm, especially compared with Obama's.. but I think the "Found my voice" line was great

Linzyhop · 01-09-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I think the "Found my voice" line was great

didn't catch that one.

Rouger2 · 01-09-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Pretty much everyone who's commented on the speech has said the same thing about McCain's, so I'm hardly alone in my opinion, and I'm only judging his speech, not his positions

I also thought Hillary's was boring and didn't have enough enthusiasm, especially compared with Obama's.. but I think the "Found my voice" line was great

If we are taking a vote here I say that McCain made a good speech.

motivez · 01-09-2008, 05:23 PM

Are you talking about the content of his speech or the delivery?

He sat there and stared at his notes the entire time, contrast that to Obama or anyone else who made one that evening

Rouger2 · 01-10-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Are you talking about the content of his speech or the delivery?

He sat there and stared at his notes the entire time, contrast that to Obama or anyone else who made one that evening

He was not all that fired up but he made a strong speech and said things that I liked. I don't hear many of them talking about all the dollors that foreigners have and are getting like he mentioned. The billions and billions of dollars that they are getting year after year after year after year.

motivez · 01-10-2008, 03:13 PM

Reading a transcript would have been more enthusiastic than his delivery

What's wrong with foreigners making money?

Rouger2 · 01-11-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Reading a transcript would have been more enthusiastic than his delivery

What's wrong with foreigners making money?

Foreigners can make as much money as they want, but because of our trade deficits billions and billions and billions of dollars are going to China and the Saudis year, after year, after year, after year and to all the other countries we have a trade deficits with which is everyone. Here we go again on this issue. Trade is exactly that Trade. One country trading its goods to another country for its goods but if there is an imbalance like us bringing in more goods than we send to the other countries the other countries must accept only dollars, what do they do with all those billions of dollars that they gain year after year, they buy our debt gaining more dollars from interest or they buy our businesses. Japan owns all our tire companies. China wants to buy an oil company. Citco oil company is already owned by foreigners. Target is owned by the french, a middle east country bailed out one of our biggest banks recently. Here in Texas a Mexican company owns one of our biggest bread companies. Owning these companies and more allows foreigners not only to own our country but to have political influence. People of a different country with a different culture and religions have ownership and influence in this country, because of our trade dificits. One thing we need to do for sure is to get off foreign oil and to make china stop cheating on trade by keeping their currancy artifically low. That would help keep the dollars from going over seas.

RMNIXON · 01-11-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

You haven't really said anything that distinguishes McCain from other candidates (like Edwards, Obama, etc) unless you're a pretty conservative person, want the war in Iraq to continue for the next 100 years (his words), and so forth on various social issues..

Here is the actual video of what McCain said:

YouTube - McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me"

I wonder if Motivez or any majority of the Nutroots bloggers even bothered to look? Why do I doubt it? McCain is not in anyway suggesting a 100 years War in Iraq. But if Al Qaeda continues to be a threat in the Middle East why can't we have a military presence in Iraq or anywhere else we are invited to be by the people of that country? Just like we are in Japan, South Korea, and part of Europe to this day?

motivez · 01-12-2008, 12:18 AM

Yes, I watched it. He adds a meaningless stipulation on the end, yet he's the one who's championed a strategy of increasing our presence and allowing more of the troops to police the civil war in Iraq.. if he's not willing to pull out the troops when it's obvious we are unable to affect any real political change, which everyone has been saying is what is needed for well over a year now, why would he do it in the future?

We shouldn't have a permanent base in Iraq, the people don't want us there, so why should we force it? The oil? Because we think we deserve something for the billions we've spent and the lives that were wasted?

We aren't welcomed in Iraq like we are in Japan or South Korea.. I don't know why so many Republicans want to compare a long term presence in a place like Iraq with stuff that happened as a result of WW2.. it's not a valid comparison.

kinggovernor · 01-12-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Yes, I watched it. He adds a meaningless stipulation on the end, yet he's the one who's championed a strategy of increasing our presence and allowing more of the troops to police the civil war in Iraq.. if he's not willing to pull out the troops when it's obvious we are unable to affect any real political change, which everyone has been saying is what is needed for well over a year now, why would he do it in the future?

We shouldn't have a permanent base in Iraq, the people don't want us there, so why should we force it? The oil? Because we think we deserve something for the billions we've spent and the lives that were wasted?

We aren't welcomed in Iraq like we are in Japan or South Korea.. I don't know why so many Republicans want to compare a long term presence in a place like Iraq with stuff that happened as a result of WW2.. it's not a valid comparison.

He championed the surge, and it WORKED. It has been a great success, and it will allow us to start withdraw some of out troops. Now that there is less violence, more political gains can be made.

What makes you say that we are welcome in Japan and not in Korea? Many Japanese citizens want us to leave. <