Fox news reported a false story repeatedly for hours after they knew it was false

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by motivez

Pretty sure there were many people who bitched about CNN's debate bullshit with Hillary, and it's not like CBS wasn't criticized for Rathergate at the time (this forum wasn't around then), plenty of non-Republican people admit bias where it exists on the other networks (ie: Olbermann's show, etc on MSNBC)

Fox is by far the most partisan network around, so it's shouldn't be surprising to you that there are more threads about their bias.. who made the thread is really immaterial to the opinion about the content of the thread.

I'd love to see more threads on bias you see on the other networks, the more it's exposed and the more people are aware of it, the better for everyone.

whatever man, i'll just let them keep going in their circle jerk and live in their little fantasy world of conservatism

[motivez]

I think the media reporting accurately and having as little bias as possible does matter.

Most of the country gets their news from television, so when the stations are polarizing, and try to play to what they perceive as their 'base,' instead of reporting the news and letting people decide without the slant included, we all lose.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

Apparently whenever Fox does something questionable and one points it out, they're automatically defending everything any other news station has ever done that's also questionable.

I mean, people are taking the position because they hate Fox and it's a conservative mouthpiece, their position is 100% political, and has nothing to do with journalistic integrity or responsibility.

Right?

I think what's funnier is that being that it is more conservative, it gives people perspectives that aren't necessarily so positive about liberals, and the liberals are mad they are put in a negative view. This is despite the fact that 99.9% is right. So they attack the credibility of the source because they can't criticize the facts FNC reports.

Typical liberal response IMO.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

i'll agree when you post unquestionable proof and not just speculation as usual

I already did son, but you refuse to read it.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

I think the media reporting accurately and having as little bias as possible does matter.

Well then why don't you criticize other media outlets? Criticize Matt Lauer when he softballed Clinton but came in hard on Romney, IN THE SAME DAY.

[motivez]

Plenty of people have criticized the various falsehoods Fox has reported on, you can if you're really interested.

People criticize the source because it's a very partisan, biased conservative network that claims to be "fair" and "balanced", while it's neither by a long shot.

I don't care if they attempt to put everyone they believe is a liberal in a negative light, they should just tell the truth to their viewers about their motivations and their bias, and they don't.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Well then why don't you criticize other media outlets? Criticize Matt Lauer when he softballed Clinton but came in hard on Romney, IN THE SAME DAY.

I don't watch that much TV news because of how much all the networks suck (lack of depth in the coverage, bias, etc), usually only when I'm at the gym or if I'm flipping around on election night.. so unless I read something somewhere about an incident, it's not likely I'll comment on it.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

Plenty of people have criticized the various falsehoods Fox has reported on, you can if you're really interested.

Likewise, you can the various falsehoods in the rest of hte media outlets if you want. They will far surpass those of FNC.

[quotePeople criticize the source because it's a very partisan, biased conservative network that claims to be "fair" and "balanced", while it's neither by a long shot.[/quote]Who cares, really? If they present the news as it is, and let you make up your own decision, then who gives a damn?

I don't care if they attempt to put everyone they believe is a liberal in a negative light, they should just tell the truth to their viewers about their motivations and their bias, and they don't.

I don't think they attempt ot put liberals in a negative light, it's just so easy to do. The facts themselves make liberals look bad, and that's what liberals hate. FNC makes no attempts to make people think it's not conservative leaning.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

I don't watch that much TV news because of how much all the networks suck (lack of depth in the coverage, bias, etc), usually only when I'm at the gym or if I'm flipping around on election night.. so unless I read something somewhere about an incident, it's not likely I'll comment on it.

Like I said, you don't want us to start bitching about it, cause you'll get tired of it, just like we're tired of hearing the whining about FNC. You should thank me for saving you from that. If you were really interested in finding bias in the media, you could it and find it for yourself. My guess is, though, that you prefer only to read about media bias at FNC.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The facts themselves make liberals look bad, and that's what liberals hate. FNC makes no attempts to make people think it's not conservative leaning.

Okay then. I wont bother trying to convince you any further.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

My guess is, though, that you prefer only to read about media bias at FNC.

There seems to be a lot of that guesswork going on when it comes to what you think about my feelings or opinions or hobbies or past or knowledge, etc.. Since you've been so wrong so often, perhaps a better strategy would be to ask me what I think about something instead of making assumptions.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

There seems to be a lot of that guesswork going on when it comes to what you think about my feelings or opinions or hobbies or past or knowledge, etc.. Since you've been so wrong so often, perhaps a better strategy would be to ask me what I think about something instead of making assumptions.

If you thought otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If you really wanted to know what media bias is out there or what has been falsely reported, you would have it by now, but since you continue to talk ONLY about FNC, then it's obvious you haven't done so, which means you REALLY don't care to know about it.

Where there's a will, there's a way, and you've shown no will thus far

But now that you've made this personal, I'm out. I'm not going to let you suck me into getting a infraction for 'making things personal'.

[tbone]

I know I'm jumping in late on this one (6 pages in a day, wow) but here is why this is wrong and why FOX news is loathed by so many, evne those who are not "liberal":

Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist's credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society's principles and standards of practice.

Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

Journalists should:
— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
— Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources' reliability.
— Always question sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
— Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
— Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
— Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
— Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
— Never plagiarize.
— Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
— Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
— Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
— Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
— Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
— Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
— Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
— Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public's business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

Minimize Harm
Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.

Journalists should:

— Show compassion for those who may be affected adversely by news coverage. Use special sensitivity when dealing with children and inexperienced sources or subjects.
— Be sensitive when seeking or using interviews or photographs of those affected by tragedy or grief.
— Recognize that gathering and reporting information may cause harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance.
— Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone’s privacy.
— Show good taste. Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity.
— Be cautious about identifying juvenile suspects or victims of sex crimes.
— Be judicious about naming criminal suspects before the formal filing of charges.
— Balance a criminal suspect’s fair trial rights with the public’s right to be informed.

Act Independently
Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know.

Journalists should:

—Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
— Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
— Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
— Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
— Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.
— Deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage.
— Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; avoid bidding for news.

Be Accountable
Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.

Journalists should:

— Clarify and explain news coverage and invite dialogue with the public over journalistic conduct.
— Encourage the public to voice grievances against the news media.
— Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.
— Expose unethical practices of journalists and the news media.
— Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.

Society of Professional Journalists: Code of Ethics

FOX news breaks every highlighted one regularly. They specifically broke several in this story. Yes, news stations make mistakes, but they are expected to correct those mistakes and not continue reporting them if there is any question of validity. If FOX news really considers themselves journalists, they need to abide to these ethics put forth by all journalists and voted on, otherwise they need to hang a shingle and call themselves entertainment news, as that is what they really are. One notch off the Daily Show and Colbert Report, they are a parody of themselves.

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by tbone

I know I'm jumping in late on this one (6 pages in a day, wow) but here is why this is wrong and why FOX news is loathed by so many, evne those who are not "liberal":



Society of Professional Journalists: Code of Ethics

FOX news breaks every highlighted one regularly. They specifically broke several in this story. Yes, news stations make mistakes, but they are expected to correct those mistakes and not continue reporting them if there is any question of validity. If FOX news really considers themselves journalists, they need to abide to these ethics put forth by all journalists and voted on, otherwise they need to hang a shingle and call themselves entertainment news, as that is what they really are. One notch off the Daily Show and Colbert Report, they are a parody of themselves.

thank you very much

but did you see what olberman did?

[motivez]

Your assumptions about me have all been wrong thus far, not just in this thread, but in the others lately too. Like I said, ask what I think about something instead of drawing the conclusions you wish were true out of thin air.. that is, if you actually care about what I think about an issue and would like your posts about my opinions to be based on something other than wishful thinking.

I don't have to spend my life googling media bias to think it's an important issue, and you know that.

I've also spoken out against it every time it's come up, regardless of the network involved. It just so happens that Fox comes up more, here and elsewhere, because of the severity of the bias at that network compared to the others.

That doesn't mean I approve of it when it happens elsewhere. To me, it doesn't matter whether it's CNN using stooges to help Hillary, or Fox telling lies about Obama's past to discredit him as a candidate.. it shouldn't happen, and the less it does, the better we all are.

If someone wants to be blatantly partisan, there's nothing inherently wrong with that so long as they're honest about their intentions. Since the networks claim to be "fair and balanced" and inject their bias subtilely, the viewers aren't often aware of it, especially if they're not looking or have been tricked into believing what they're watching is fair, balanced, etc.. and take away information about a story that belongs in an op-ed instead of what they think is a factual news report.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by tbone

I know I'm jumping in late on this one (6 pages in a day, wow) but here is why this is wrong and why FOX news is loathed by so many, evne those who are not "liberal":



Society of Professional Journalists: Code of Ethics

FOX news breaks every highlighted one regularly. They specifically broke several in this story. Yes, news stations make mistakes, but they are expected to correct those mistakes and not continue reporting them if there is any question of validity. If FOX news really considers themselves journalists, they need to abide to these ethics put forth by all journalists and voted on, otherwise they need to hang a shingle and call themselves entertainment news, as that is what they really are. One notch off the Daily Show and Colbert Report, they are a parody of themselves.

90% of journalists, Begala included, are guilty of at least some of the things you highlighted.

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by Publius

90% of journalists, Begala included, are guilty of at least some of the things you highlighted.

1 slight problem... begala is not, and never was a journalist