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Old 01-12-2008, 05:56 PM   #41
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All those countries full of 100% Muslim Islamic Arabs with very strong racist and fanatical religious tendencies.

We are cool with that.

It is their right to live and believe as they want and we should mind our own business.




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Old 01-12-2008, 05:57 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
Why is holocaust in quotes, and why do you call it a tale?

Do you believe it didn't happen?
I didn't write the article, but to answer your question, I don't believe 6 million were systematically exterminated, nor do I believe a plan existed to exterminate them.
I'm not questioning whether Jews were targeted by Hitler.
 
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:00 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
The United States (the only country that should benefit from any 'invasion' that we do)
How does it benefit from this immoral invasion?
How does it benefit from destroying it's image as a non terrorist state?
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Are you against the 'promotion and expansion' of all religions, or just Judaism?
Yes, as I'm an atheist, but I consider the evil triad of Judaism, Zionism and Israel as the most imminent threat to world peace.
 
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:11 PM   #45
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I would stop giving billions of dollars to israel and stop putting our nose in that region... while at the same time diverting our energy and resources to alternative energy so we can just avoid that region entirely.

I dont care what religion they are affiliated to.

Whatever that makes me, you can label me that.
 
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:22 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by DavidHenry View Post
How does it benefit from this immoral invasion?
1) No more threat from Saddam. As much as he might not have been a threat like leaders in other countries, he was still a nuisance and that is no more.

2) Strategic military alliance and base in the Middle East if needed.

3) Energy source

To name a few, but they are big ones.


How does it benefit from destroying it's image as a non terrorist state?
I'm not sure that image is destroyed. And if you suggest we are no longer viewed as a non-terrorist state, then I question who views us in that way, and if they viewed us in that way prior to the Iraq war.
 
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Originally Posted by DavidHenry View Post
Yes, as I'm an atheist, but I consider the evil triad of Judaism, Zionism and Israel as the most imminent threat to world peace.
Moreso than Christianity and Islam?! Wow.

I wonder how/why Judaism ever came to be the most hated religion by so many. Is it because they are God's chosen people?
 
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:24 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by DosEquis View Post
I would stop giving billions of dollars to israel and stop putting our nose in that region...
Now now, that's no way to treat our allies, no matter the region they reside.
 
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:31 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by DavidHenry View Post
I didn't write the article, but to answer your question, I don't believe 6 million were systematically exterminated, nor do I believe a plan existed to exterminate them.
and why is that?
 
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I wouldn't consider myself anti-zionist, but I would consider myself anti-American-helping-Isreal-ist... so whatever that is

I couldn't care less about Isreal to tell you the truth. But to watch us (America) fuck up diplomatic relations with the Middle East because we favor them so much is annoying. Some people think we need to protect them, some people think we need to give them lots of money, I think we need to just let them rule themselves, make their own mistakes (or not), and they'll either sink or swim. America helping them does nothing good for America and tons of bad.
 
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
Why is holocaust in quotes, and why do you call it a tale?

Do you believe it didn't happen?


I don't understand myself why the deaths of Jews in WWII were any more heinous than the millions of others killed and why they have to be singled out as being "special." The Japanese did the same thing to the Chinese...on a larger scale. The Germans killed more Russians than Jews. I don't agree with the Jewish "we're special" shit. Was it bad? Yes. Was it on purpose? Yes. But so were all the other deaths. I think the Jews have taken a historical "woe is us" viewpoint throughout time and I don't agree with it. Even today they do it. "OMG they fired rockets at us so we must treat them like rats in a cage...but WE ARE THE VICTIMS!!" Fuck that. You treat people like shit of course they are going to attack you. You gain land through questionable means from the people that were living there damn straight they are going to be pissed at you.
 
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Originally Posted by nbiggershaft View Post
and why is that?
For a variety of reasons, however, unless I can get people to accept the factual evidence relating to Jewish domination of the mass media, and also the logical assumption that whoever controls the media effectively controls the government, then I won't bother to discuss my views on the extent of the holocost.....remember, I'm not denying Jewish persecution, just the death-toll and the method.
 
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Originally Posted by Donkey® View Post
I don't understand myself why the deaths of Jews in WWII were any more heinous than the millions of others killed and why they have to be singled out as being "special." The Japanese did the same thing to the Chinese...on a larger scale. The Germans killed more Russians than Jews. I don't agree with the Jewish "we're special" shit. Was it bad? Yes. Was it on purpose? Yes. But so were all the other deaths. I think the Jews have taken a historical "woe is us" viewpoint throughout time and I don't agree with it. Even today they do it. "OMG they fired rockets at us so we must treat them like rats in a cage...but WE ARE THE VICTIMS!!" Fuck that. You treat people like shit of course they are going to attack you. You gain land through questionable means from the people that were living there damn straight they are going to be pissed at you.

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Originally Posted by DavidHenry View Post
I don't believe 6 million were systematically exterminated....
Can you explain why nazis on trial after ww2 didn't present evidence contradicting what you're going to call the "official zionist propaganda"?
 
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I'm sorry to disagree, but the Holocaust was special

Never in the history of man kind had a people, in all senses identical, had a unified nation, strong and powerful, send it's own LOYAL veterans from WW1 to their...and here is the key: Industrialized Killings

This was conducted like a first-rate business operation, you had Germany's leaders of various government agencies sit down at the nice Wansee conference, and at other locations, and over luxurious dinners with the elected perons, planned out a method specifically designed to build industrial complexes to kill jews at an astounding rate

I'm sure say things like the soviets killed more, but that was due to horrible planning towards ECONOMIC GOALS and to MAINTAIN STABILITY, Germany had a valuable slave labor force and after they had conquered France but before attacking Russia, they had complete stability throughout a vast German Reich and controlled territories

The "Final Solution" was formed before America entered the War and while German troops were closing in on an then-apparently collapsing Soviet Union

Then maybe someone will talk about the rate of killings, and places like Rwanda, well Rwanda was in a civil war and the majority felt they were going to be overthrown and controlled by the minority and they had no stability and their leaders flamed up a large populace with promises of looting and then stability...Germans in 1941 were quite well off and were quite stable

I don't have time to go through every genocide, but talk to any serious historian and they'll go through with you that the Holocaust was special, as was it's aftermath

After the Holocaust, war-torn Europe still would take years to digest the holocaust, and anti-semetism still existed, there was a brief effort to settle back into eastern europe, among some jews, but then AFTER germany had surrendered and the holocaust had been revealed to the world, the Poles started a pogrom and started killing and driving out jews

To imagine that kind of reaction just months after the holocaust had been made public, for no reason whatsoever except old-style jew hatred...it was clear they needed to go somewhere else

America was already it's own country, and as the Klan of the 1920s could show you, millions of people had anti-semitism left, and were no part of the Holocaust...so where to go to? The only logical place was near their historical homeland in the desert, as Jews were already there, even in Jerusalem, in significant but not overwhelming numbers

However, the plan went horribly wrong, and Israel turned into a twisted state afterwards, but the lead up to the influx of Jews from Europe to Palestine was entirely justifiable on every level
 
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Old 01-13-2008, 02:42 AM   #56
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Originally Posted by Donkey® View Post
I don't understand myself why the deaths of Jews in WWII were any more heinous than the millions of others killed and why they have to be singled out as being "special." The Japanese did the same thing to the Chinese...on a larger scale. The Germans killed more Russians than Jews. I don't agree with the Jewish "we're special" shit. Was it bad? Yes. Was it on purpose? Yes. But so were all the other deaths. I think the Jews have taken a historical "woe is us" viewpoint throughout time and I don't agree with it. Even today they do it. "OMG they fired rockets at us so we must treat them like rats in a cage...but WE ARE THE VICTIMS!!" Fuck that. You treat people like shit of course they are going to attack you. You gain land through questionable means from the people that were living there damn straight they are going to be pissed at you.
Japanese killing Chinese is regarded in most intelligent circles as genocide and the Germans killing Russians was in combat mostly.
 
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Originally Posted by Donkey® View Post
I don't understand myself why the deaths of Jews in WWII were any more heinous than the millions of others killed and why they have to be singled out as being "special." The Japanese did the same thing to the Chinese...on a larger scale. The Germans killed more Russians than Jews. I don't agree with the Jewish "we're special" shit. Was it bad? Yes. Was it on purpose? Yes. But so were all the other deaths. I think the Jews have taken a historical "woe is us" viewpoint throughout time and I don't agree with it. Even today they do it. "OMG they fired rockets at us so we must treat them like rats in a cage...but WE ARE THE VICTIMS!!" Fuck that. You treat people like shit of course they are going to attack you. You gain land through questionable means from the people that were living there damn straight they are going to be pissed at you.
You forgot Stalin! Oh yeah...we took his side during WWII...

Talk about your lesser of two evils....but didn't Stalin kill more people than Hitler? Why didn't Britain and France declare war against Russia when they invaded Poland 16 days after Hitler? Because FDR and Churchill were friends? Probably. Also, Russia and the U.S. were ally's at the time.

Some facts:

In Germany, 160,000 - 240,000 Jews were killed
In Russia, 700,000 - 2,000,000 Jews were killed

Overall number of people killed in Germany: 4.5 million
Overall number of people killed in Russia: 20 million

Hitler was bad. Stalin worse.

Source: Twentieth Century Atlas - World War Two Casualty Statistics

Doesn't answer your query though David Henry...just thought I'd share some background on the U.S. government's predicament at the time of WWII.

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Stalin was not worse than Hitler, making stupid unrealistic goals and then being surronded by yes-men who tell you everything is going great does not make you the epitome of evil, his victims died of starvation from poor planning, not industrialized killing facilities...

If Hitler had peace time from 1945-1953, 8 years, he could have killed 80 million people easily, without starvation, but by taking everything they ever had, and then shoving them into shower rooms while they were gassed

Stalin was paranoid and ruthless, Hitler was a genocidal purist who would have turned on the slavs after the Jews, if England had gone done in 1940, and the Soviet Empire collapsed afterwards, there is no reason to argue he would not have killed hundreds of millions, and then handed it off to people like Heydrich, who probably would have lived until at least 1970...
 
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Time Warner. The largest media conglomerate today is Time Warner (briefly called AOL-Time Warner; the AOL was dropped from the name when accounting practices at the AOL division were questioned by government investigators), which reached its current form when America Online bought Time Warner for $160 billion in 2000. The combined company had revenue of $39.5 billion in 2003. The merger brought together Steve Case, a Gentile, as chairman of AOL-Time Warner, and Gerald Levin, a Jew, as the CEO.

Warner, founded by the Jewish Warner brothers in the early part of the last century, rapidly became part of the Jewish power base in Hollywood, a fact so well-known that it is openly admitted by Jewish authors, as is the fact that each new media acquisition becomes dominated by Jews in turn: Speaking of the initial merger of Time, Inc. with Warner, Jewish writer Michael Wolff said in New York magazine in 2001 "since Time Inc.'s merger with Warner ten years ago, one of the interesting transitions is that it has become a Jewish company." ("From AOL to W," New York magazine, January 29, 2001)

About Murdock......Its Fox News Channel has been a key outlet pushing the Jewish neoconservative agenda that lies behind the Iraq War and which animates both the administration of George W. Bush and the "new conservatism" that embraces aggressive Zionism and multiracialism.

Murdoch is nominally a Gentile, but there is some uncertainty about his ancestry and he has vigorously supported Zionism and other Jewish causes throughout his life. (Historian David Irving has published information from a claimed high-level media source who says that Murdoch's mother, Elisabeth Joy Greene, was Jewish, but we have not been able to confirm this.) Murdoch's number two executive is Peter Chernin, who is president and chief operating officer—and a Jew.


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