YouTube Video ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed. The GOP debates all repeat themselves on who is most like Ronald Reagan I'd have to say Mitt Romney...both governors who implemented non-conservative agendas but come primary time did big flip flops ...
01-11-2008, 10:08 PM
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| Banned  Progressive Philadelphia, PA 
| So who won the recent Reagan debate?
The GOP debates all repeat themselves on who is most like Ronald Reagan I'd have to say Mitt Romney...both governors who implemented non-conservative agendas but come primary time did big flip flops and made dramatic promises they can't possibly hope to keep I was around, though no politically aware, during the 1980s, older relatives and historians were, and to be honest, from 1983-1986...about 3 years of growth/no scandals...5 years of economic problems or scandals Let's look at the issues that the candidates are presented with today, and what Reagan did: Terrorism: He ran like a sissy from Lebanon after the first punch Immirgration: Amnesty to Illegals Taxes: Raised them more times than he cut them Character: AIDs response was basically homophobic, he was divorced, and didn't even recognize his son because of how much he neglected any sort of personal family values Abortion: 2/3 of his SC nominations were fairly pro-choice, especially O'Connor, and he made no serious efforts to lower it Affirmative Actions: 2/3 of his SC nominees are pro-AA, law wise did nothing on it Crime: Sky-rocketed in the 80s Welfare: It was Bill Clinton who reformed Welfare Army: Created a huge budget whole that Clinton dug us out of with hard base closings and military cuts, and *gasp* turns out as we saw in Afghanistan, we didn't need that all that crap I don't know what all the fuss is about, but man, it sure is pathetic to see a group of, what I previously thought were accomplished men, trying to emulate their entire life goals around being the closest thing to another person | |||||||
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01-11-2008, 10:12 PM
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| Better Dead than Red  Democrat Where America Goes to Talk
| it's really sad... they're all stuck in the past and america's looking for change. they're setting themselves up for a huge loss in november | ||||
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01-11-2008, 10:14 PM
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| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM Bush still would have lost to Dukakis if the economy was in the tubes and there was an unpopular war going on, even though he conducted the worst campaign of all time and he had no idea how to run for president
2 terms of Bush-GOP + economic recession + war in Iraq = Democratic President | ||||
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01-11-2008, 10:42 PM
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| Governments should fear their people  Paleolibertarian
| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM
Like the Democrats aren't stuck in the past. I don't think I can listen through one speech without them speaking of the "good old days" under Clinton.  | ||||
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01-11-2008, 10:46 PM
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| Better Dead than Red Democrat Where America Goes to Talk
| Originally Posted by lew does this really pass as an argument?
which democrats are we talking about here? i think i might have heard hillary say that ONCE in a speech. you're really grasping here | ||||
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01-11-2008, 11:12 PM
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| i didn't hear anyone in 2004 saying they were the most like Clinton... And people in general, not democrats, all want to go back to the late 90s boom, it was an exciting time, ever since Bush took over it's been shit that's not "longing for the past" it's longing for economic growth that EVERYONE is enjoying, and where we are doing things like balancing the budget not invading other countries, and civil rights are at historic highs | ||||
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01-12-2008, 09:32 AM
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| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM Uh, well, for one Obama continues to bring up JFK and MLK. They're farther in the past than Reagan.
Clinton has policies that go hand-in-hand with Marx. That's somewhere in the past. To answer the question, Thompson won the Reagan debate, like he's won ever other Republican debate. | ||||
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01-12-2008, 02:25 PM
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| Yeah, that guy.  Progressive Oregon
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Too bad his campaign will soon die in South Carolina. He has the charisma of a block of wood...and I thought Kerry was bad.
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01-12-2008, 04:03 PM
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| How many times has Hillary Clinton brought up Karl Marx...please feel free to use youtube links Probably the same amount of time Rudy's campaign has compared it's vision of the future with that of the Gestapo's | ||||
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01-12-2008, 04:43 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim you guys will screw it up like you always do, no matter what happens.
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01-12-2008, 05:06 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| Reagan, 9/11, terrorists, Reagan, 9/11, terrorists... Pretty standard...try to scare people and compare themselves to one of the most overrated presidents ever. | ||||
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01-12-2008, 05:11 PM
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| Better Dead than Red Democrat Where America Goes to Talk
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor fixed for accuracy
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01-12-2008, 05:16 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM reference the past 30 years for accuracy
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01-12-2008, 05:26 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by DosEquis Are you suggesting Democrats don't use 'scare tactics'?
How about '40 million children don't have health insurance in this country!!!'. That sounds like a scare tactic to me. | ||||
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01-12-2008, 05:32 PM
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| Better Dead than Red Democrat Where America Goes to Talk
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
 that sounds like the truth to me there's a HUGE difference... how you can't differentiate between the two is beyond me  | ||||
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01-12-2008, 05:33 PM
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| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM Reagan as a great president wasn't the truth? 9/11 never happened? Terrorists are not true?
It seems you have more to worry about than what b2w thinks about children with insurance... | ||||
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01-12-2008, 05:34 PM
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| Better Dead than Red Democrat Where America Goes to Talk
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz who in the hell said 9/11 never happened?
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01-12-2008, 05:34 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz It is pretty 'scary' but at least it is a fact they can associate to statistics.
"If we aren't there they will follow us home" is not only 'scary' but complete bullshit that they can't prove...especially when those who do attack us say the main reason they are attacking us is because we are there. | ||||
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01-12-2008, 05:34 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM Sounds like the truth to me
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01-12-2008, 05:35 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by DosEquis Of course they'll say that, they can convince 50% of our country to turn against itself in the war. Best tactic they ever devised.
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