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Old 01-14-2008, 11:58 AM   #1
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Come on now...

He's attacking Romney for not supporting Bush's tax cuts early enough when he also voted against them and was one of the key GOP speakers against the cuts. I like McCain as a person, but seriously this is just absurd.
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:58 PM   #2
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John is no more honorable or straight talking than any other slimy politician.
 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:03 PM   #3
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leaves me going what was he thinking?
 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:35 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
leaves me going what was he thinking?
Really? Going " "? This isn't a surprise to me.

This is the epitome of what John McCain has become, someone who abandons what he believes in in order to court specific voting blocs through the same bullshit he used to rail against.
 
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:48 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
leaves me going what was he thinking?
Alzheimer's?
 
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:22 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
Really? Going " "? This isn't a surprise to me.

This is the epitome of what John McCain has become, someone who abandons what he believes in in order to court specific voting blocs through the same bullshit he used to rail against.
you really have it out for him, did he piss in your cheerios or something?
 
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:09 PM   #7
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I a lot of people strongly dislike McCain because they spoke out in favor of him when he was preaching against the war despite conservatives calling him a phony. Now a couple years later he's changed his views on them..
 
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:53 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
you really have it out for him, did he piss in your cheerios or something?
I view him as a huge fake who's done a complete 180 on everything he supposedly stood for to pander to the neo-cons and religious theocrats in order for a shot at the nomination

He'll probably get it the way things are going, but he's a disgrace for selling out.
 
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:20 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
I view him as a huge fake who's done a complete 180 on everything he supposedly stood for to pander to the neo-cons and religious theocrats in order for a shot at the nomination

He'll probably get it the way things are going, but he's a disgrace for selling out.
how has he pandered to neo-cons, he is against their torture policy and he was against Bush's policies in Iraq?
 
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He must not have had anything to do with writing what was on that pamplet and did not check it himself before it went out. It is the only explanation. Nobody would make a mistake like that on purpose.
 
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:49 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Rouger2 View Post
He must not have had anything to do with writing what was on that pamplet and did not check it himself before it went out. It is the only explanation. Nobody would make a mistake like that on purpose.


Nor did he know who wrote it!
 
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:26 PM   #12
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Nor did he know who wrote it!
and it in the long run, why should it matter anyways. Just look at his record
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
and it in the long run, why should it matter anyways. Just look at his record
It was more a stab at the Ron Paul controversy
 
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:56 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
It was more a stab at the Ron Paul controversy
I know, I was adding to it, maybe I should have added at the end
 
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:54 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
I know, I was adding to it, maybe I should have added at the end
Got it!
 
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Old 01-25-2008, 12:49 PM   #16
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McCain vs McCain:
McCain vs. McCain: On illegal immigration, Mr. McCain said that anyone who says he supported amnesty is "a liar" and says he has "never" supported Social Security benefits for illegals. However, in 2006 and 2007, he joined with Ted Kennedy to support Senate bills that would have granted amnesty to millions of illegals. In 2006, Mr. McCain denounced in a floor speech and cast the deciding vote against an amendment by Sen. John Ensign, Nevada Republican, that would have denied Social Security benefits to illegals who work under a Social Security number obtained through identity fraud. He cosponsored the Dream Act providing in-state tuition for illegal-alien college students, but, in the face of intense opposition to the bill from grass-roots conservatives, Mr. McCain announced that he would have voted against the legislation had he been in attendance when it was voted on late last year (he was absent).

Another issue where Mr. McCain has clashed with conservatives was over campaign finance reform, also called the McCain-Feingold bill, which instituted a series of regulations that limit the ability of independent groups not associated with the Democratic or Republican parties to participate in the political process. These regulations, which violate the First Amendment, bar the use of corporate or union money to pay for broadcast advertising that identifies a federal candidate within 30 days of a primary or nominating convention or within 60 days of a general election. These days, Mr. McCain is not talking much about the issue on the campaign trail. But Mr. McCain's advocacy of the legislation has created a bitter political divide between the senator and the National Right to Life Committee, which views it as a hindrance to its ability to get its message out. Last year, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of a Wisconsin Right to Life group and overturned the above-mentioned section of McCain-Feingold.

On abortion, Mr. McCain has a generally pro-life voting record (although he has supported embryo-destroying stem-cell research). In a 1998 letter to Roman Catholic bishops, Mr. McCain declared himself to be a "lifelong, ardent supporter of unborn children's right to life." But in 1999, he told the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board that "in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force X-number of women to undergo illegal and dangerous abortions." Later that year, he sent a letter to the National Right to Life Committee stating his "unequivocal support for overturning Roe v. Wade." On Jan. 22 of this year, the 35th anniversary of Roe, Mr. McCain sent a letter to pro-life marchers in Washington praising them and criticizing the seven Supreme Court judges who made up the majority in Roe.

On judicial appointments, Mr. McCain promises to nominate strict constructionists to the federal bench. But two years ago, he was one of the "Gang of 14" — seven Democratic and seven Republican senators who joined forces to block Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's effort to end the objectionable strategy of filibustering judicial nominees that was employed by the Democrats.

On taxes and spending, Mr. McCain has a mixed record. He supports extending President Bush's tax cuts. He opposed tax increases pushed by President George H.W. Bush in 1990 and President Clinton in 1993 and voted in 1997 to cut capital-gains taxes. The senator also broke with the White House and Senate Republican leadership by voting against the Medicare prescription-drug entitlement and he supports permitting workers to invest part of their Social Security savings in higher-yielding private accounts. But according to the Club for Growth, "his overall record is tainted by a marked antipathy towards free markets and individual freedom," which includes support for raising Social Security taxes and a 282 percent tax increase on cigarettes. Mr. McCain has been disingenuous in explaining his opposition to Mr. Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. He claims to have cast these votes to protest the fact that the tax cuts were not accompanied by spending cuts. But the fact is that in opposing these measures, Mr. McCain joined liberal Democrats like Sens. Jay Rockefeller and Tom Daschle in employing class-warfare rhetoric and pushing in favor of higher taxes — voting on the pro-tax side on 14 different occasions.

Mr. McCain also differs with free-market conservatives on numerous environmental issues. He opposes oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in Alaska and has joined with Sen. Joe Lieberman to cosponsor legislation that would require that greenhouse gas emissions be reduced to 2000 levels by 2010 — a measure sure to result in substantial increases in electricity and gasoline costs.
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Old 01-25-2008, 12:58 PM   #17
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illegal immigration - I agree with his position.

I disagree with the Feingold bill.

Abortion is quickly becoming a nonissue, because of that new pill.

That gang of 14 was necessary to get the people we wanted into the supreme court. It was the only thing that worked, when others were ready to try to get rid of the filibuster. Funny when the tables turn, they don't mention it.

I disagree with him on the prescription drug bill.

I agree we need to use less oil, for me it is a national security issue. Any way that we can use less oil is good for this country.
 
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