Why do people hate Jews?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

You think the Japanese weren't trying to eliminate all Chinese they could for no reason at all? You claim "control" which is total crap. They don't need to kill tens of millions to control a country that can't fight back.

Best guesses are 40k killed in Nanking, mostly soldiers. The Japanese did it for control and for fun.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I am trying to figure out how killing for fun is somehow better than killing for a reason.

I didn't say it was.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

so when you call the exterminator to your house, they just politely ask the bugs to move on their way??????

Orkin will tell you that their service is designed to prevent bugs from entering by placing a chemical barrier. Of course they cant put the little bleeders on tiny trains, so they kill those that they find inside. The Nazis expelled the Jews - forced most to leave - interned the rest, most of whom died.

Nobody here is claiming that the Nazis were nice people, but you WILL NOT understand them or their history if you don't understand their intent.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

It is not my fault that you hate the meaning of the word:

Main Entry:ex·ter·mi·nate Pronunciation: \ik-ˈstər-mə-ˌnāt\ Function:transitive verb Inflected Form(s):ex·ter·mi·nat·ed; ex·ter·mi·nat·ingEtymology:Latin exterminatus, past participle of exterminare, from ex- + terminus boundary — more at
exterminate. (L.) From pp. of L. txterminare, to put or drive beyond bounds.

ex·ter·mi·nate /ɪkˈstɜrməˌneɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ik-stur-muh-neyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
to get rid of by destroying; destroy totally; extirpate: to exterminate an enemy; to exterminate insects.

Give me a fucking break. I know what exterminate means.

exterminate - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Try looking at the first definitions before heading toward the bottom less used meanings.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Give me a fucking break. I know what exterminate means.

Apearently you don't.

Try looking at the first definitions before heading toward the bottom less used meanings.

The literal meaning of Exterminate is to move beyond the boundary.

Meanings change with common use. English is an evolving language. If you wish to understand the past, you must understand the common usage of the time. I happen to have a '38 Oxford. The word has changed its common meaning since then.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

[/u]Apearently you don't.
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The literal meaning of Exterminate is to move beyond the boundary.

Meanings change with common use. English is an evolving language. If you wish to understand the past, you must understand the common usage of the time. I happen to have a '38 Oxford. The word has changed its common meaning since then.

Ok, YOU didn't know what I meant when I said exterminate. That seems you be YOUR issue, not mine. Everyone else knew what I meant. Remember, English is an evolving language. You need to understand TODAYS meanings when talking to people. Not last century's.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ok, YOU didn't know what I meant when I said exterminate. That seems you be YOUR issue, not mine. Everyone else knew what I meant. Remember, English is an evolving language. You need to understand TODAYS meanings when talking to people. Not last century's.

Okay, but since the discussion is about Nazi Germany's meaning of the word, EXTERMINATE, your definition of the word is irrelevant to this discussion.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

Okay, but since the discussion is about Nazi Germany's meaning of the word, EXTERMINATE, your definition of the word is irrelevant to this discussion.

no, i would say his definition is right on.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

no, i would say his definition is right on.

Damn do all of you guys smoke the same stuff?


What YOU think the word means is irrelevant. What the NAZIs meant by using the word is the point. You don't understand what the word meant to people who used it back in the 30's

This is not a personal slight on you. People were far more literal in the past. The language is softening very quickly and definitions are melting together.

It is quite annoying to me because it makes rational discussion very difficult as words are loosing their distinct meanings for more generalized meanings.

It is like the thesaurus is being used to define terms these days.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

Damn do all of you guys smoke the same stuff?


What YOU think the word means is irrelevant. What the NAZIs meant by using the word is the point. You don't understand what the word meant to people who used it back in the 30's

This is not a personal slight on you. People were far more literal in the past. The language is softening very quickly and definitions are melting together.

It is quite annoying to me because it makes rational discussion very difficult as words are loosing their distinct meanings for more generalized meanings.

It is like the thesaurus is being used to define terms these days.

[Linzyhop]

exterminate the race = genocide.


same thing.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

exterminate the race = genocide.


same thing.

Are you being obtuse, or are you genuinely confused.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

exterminate the race = genocide.


same thing.

This is a PERFECT illustration of one of my biggest pet peeves. Genocide means to attempt the extinction of a group.

Extermination is NOT genocide.

The Nazi program of extermination began with EXPULSION. How can you kill off a race of people if you send them away from your grasp.

I don't care if you dislike what exterminate actually means. You can't change a word by dissaproving of its usage.

Have you ever studied latin?

Do you know what etymology is?

Damn girl!

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

This is a PERFECT illustration of one of my biggest pet peeves. Genocide means to attempt the extinction of a group.

Extermination is NOT genocide.

The Nazi program of extermination began with EXPULSION. How can you kill off a race of people if you send them away from your grasp.

I don't care if you dislike what exterminate actually means. You can't change a word by dissaproving of its usage.

Have you ever studied latin?

Do you know what etymology is?

Damn girl!

[7960]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

What YOU think the word means is irrelevant. What the NAZIs meant by using the word is the point. You don't understand what the word meant to people who used it back in the 30's

This is not a personal slight on you. People were far more literal in the past. The language is softening very quickly and definitions are melting together.

It is quite annoying to me......

What's annoying is this intellectual dishonestly. The nazis went door to door searching for jews to bring to the camps to kill. They seeked them out. They targeted them. They went into the woods to hunt down the ones who were trying to run away. You make it seem like they would have been just fine if only they left the area. If that's true then why did the nazis hunt them down as they were fleeing? The jews were trying to leave the area but the soldiers chased after them and brought them back. They asked people to inform on their relatives and report their neighbors. They wanted to find all the jews and kill them, even if they were only "part" jewish.

They were trying to EXTERMINATE them...to remove them from the earth, as is evidenced by their actions.

Of course they cant put the little bleeders on tiny trains......

Do you think those trains were taking jews away from german area? No, they were bringing them TO extermination camps.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

This is a PERFECT illustration of one of my biggest pet peeves. Genocide means to attempt the extinction of a group.

Extermination is NOT genocide.

The Nazi program of extermination began with EXPULSION. How can you kill off a race of people if you send them away from your grasp.

I don't care if you dislike what exterminate actually means. You can't change a word by dissaproving of its usage.

Have you ever studied latin?

Do you know what etymology is?

Damn girl!

like i said before, when you call the exterminator to your house, does he ask the bugs to simply be on their way?

genocide and extermination of a race go hand in hand if you're talking about this.

don't you be obtuse. i speak 4 languages, yes i've studied latin. arguing the old english meaning of the word fuck won't change the UNDERSTOOD meaning of grow "the fuck" up.

[Thorgrim]

Didn't I already explain this how many pages ago

Read the transcripts of the Wansee conference, historical records about it's altercation, Eichmann's testimony about it after his capture

It was 100% different than the Chinese situation, or any others you guys can conjure up

First of all, SS Officers did not rape Russian Jews, such conduct with unthinkable to a race you were trying to exterminate, however even the most radical Japanese officer would rape a Chinese girl

The Japanese did not have a huge plan to sterilize the Chinese, the Germans did for the Jews, they literally wanted them off the face of the earth

Anyone doubt of what evacuation meant was cleared by Heydrich, the 2nd most powerful Nazi before his death, during Wansee, keep in mind, the entire transcripts were edited TO MAKE THE NAZIS LOOK BETTER IN CASE THEY WERE TO FALL INTO ENEMY HANDS, but still, they make "evacuation" clear:

"Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival".

Ontop of that, you have the Posen speech by Himmler:
I also want to mention a very difficult subject before you here, completely openly. It should be discussed amongst us, and yet, nevertheless, we will never speak about it in public. I am talking about the Jewish evacuation: the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that is easily said. “The Jewish people are being exterminated,” every Party member will tell you: “Perfectly clear, it’s part of our plans, we’re eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, ha!, a small matter.”

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Didn't I already explain this how many pages ago

Read the transcripts of the Wansee conference, historical records about it's altercation, Eichmann's testimony about it after his capture

The Nuremberg trails were a sham. It is a poor source for historical records.

It was 100% different than the Chinese situation, or any others you guys can conjure up

Yes it was different. All wars are. That is not to say that they are without parallels.

...SS Officers did not rape Russian Jews...

Not in Germany... but they sure did in the camps.[/quote]

The Japanese did not have a huge plan to sterilize the Chinese, the Germans did for the Jews, they literally wanted them off the face of the earth

No, they wanted them off of the face of the Third Reich. There stated intent and observed activity shows that their goal was to obtain "lebensraum". They wanted elbow room. They had no intention of killing Jews outside of their territory or sterilizing foreign Jews or Poles (The plan of sterilization was not specifically targeting the Jews.)

After the war began, they intended to see all Jews left in their territory die off completely. They also intended to see all of the remaining Polish race and language speakers killed off. In fact, if any group proved themselves to be resistant to the Nazi agenda, that group was targeted for destruction. That included any Aryans that opposed him, like these fine Aryan children who spread anti NAZI propaganda in Germany:


The White Rose


Remember that in a war borders are closed... All subversives were murdered because they could no longer leave. They forced the Jewish people to leave Germany... those who remained after the war began were doomed. Same with all other opposition groups.

The whole historical portrait is out of perspective without the context. The Jewish people bravely and mightily opposed the Nazi regime. They declared war on Germany FIRST.

This whole notion that we should feel sorry for European Jewry because they were persecuted by the NAZIs is BULLSHIT! They acted bravely and with honor, so they should be HONORED for the actions they took and respected for the price they paid.

This cannot happen as long as we have some myopic grade school understanding of what happened.

The Jewish people, through their leaders and captains of industry WORLD WIDE, declared economic war against Hitler and Germany. They declared a worldwide boycott and encouraged all German Jewish people to cease conducting business.

They did this BEFORE the Germans boycotted Jewish businesses. The German boycott was a response to this.

The Jewish people were very influential in Germany and used there positioning to oppose the NAZIs.

There was Jewish subversion, Jewish collaboration with Communists, and violence from Jewish people.

The NAZI policies became progressively more intense until the final solution.

If you don't understand that, you are missing more than half of the story.

The Jewish people were more than just 'victims', they were heroes, and they deserve honor, not pity! They have a place in history with the White Russians in this sense. They paid the ultimate price for opposing the powers of evil when NOBODY else would.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

like i said before, when you call the exterminator to your house, does he ask the bugs to simply be on their way?

genocide and extermination of a race go hand in hand if you're talking about this.

don't you be obtuse. i speak 4 languages, yes i've studied latin. arguing the old english meaning of the word fuck won't change the UNDERSTOOD meaning of grow "the fuck" up.

And like I said before, would you let somebody leave your grasp if you intend to kill them?