Why do people hate Jews?

[Thorgrim]

They had no intention of killing Jews outside of their territory or sterilizing foreign Jews or Poles (The plan of sterilization was not specifically targeting the Jews.)

READ THE WANNSEE CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT, IT WAS IN 1942 IT WAS NOT THE NUREMBURG TRIALS

They are confirmed documents by every nazi that has seen them, and every expert, they are not in any doubt whatsoever, and the people who lived past the 1940s verified that the transcripts were the LEAST of what happened, that more happened but it was edited out

That is 100% proof that the Nazis had a plan:
1) All half and most quarter jews (and all full jews) under any Axis friendly country, and planning for the entire Soviet Union in the event of its collapsed...would be sterilized, if they had no German links and were half jews, they would be put into the eastern most areas, worked to death, and whoever remained was too dangerous to allow to live

That's extermination, and there's no way of getting around with it

You want to say the Wannsee conference didn't happen, you might as well say the Constitution was never written, they are on the same level of historical proof

[Roonie]

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Are you implying they made it up or lied?

Oh, they were real. It was a kangaroo court though.

There is a butt-ton of info out there on the subject:

nuremberg trial fair - Google Search

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

Oh, they were real. It was a kangaroo court though.

There is a butt-ton of info out there on the subject:

nuremberg trial fair - Google Search

Who cares if you think it was a kangaroo court? The evidence and testimony is completely destroys your version of the historic events.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

READ THE WANNSEE CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT, IT WAS IN 1942 IT WAS NOT THE NUREMBURG TRIALS

They are confirmed documents by every nazi that has seen them, and every expert, they are not in any doubt whatsoever, and the people who lived past the 1940s verified that the transcripts were the LEAST of what happened, that more happened but it was edited out

That is 100% proof that the Nazis had a plan:
1) All half and most quarter jews (and all full jews) under any Axis friendly country, and planning for the entire Soviet Union in the event of its collapsed...would be sterilized, if they had no German links and were half jews, they would be put into the eastern most areas, worked to death, and whoever remained was too dangerous to allow to live

That's extermination, and there's no way of getting around with it

You want to say the Wannsee conference didn't happen, you might as well say the Constitution was never written, they are on the same level of historical proof

I am not saying that they had no plans. I am not saying that they were not trying to eliminate every Jew, pole and other "subversives" in their control. I am saying that they had no plans to eliminate the Jews from the world. The NAZIs were far more pragmatic than that.

[Roonie]

I think if they won the war they would have absolutely tried to eliminate the Jews from the World.

Its all hearsay however because they didn't. We do know they were hell bent on eliminating every Jew that they could get their hands on within their sphere of control. That sphere of control widens and so does there intent.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Who cares if you think it was a kangaroo court? The evidence and testimony is completely destroys your version of the historic events.

Dude... SERIOUSLY.... study the trials. The judges even toasted to executing all defendants.

The trial was a standard postwar trial.... it was a sham. It was designed to be sensational.

Does that mean that I think that all of the NAZIs were nice people who deserved to be left alone? No. But that doesn't make the Nuremberg trials fair.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

Dude... SERIOUSLY.... study the trials. The judges even toasted to executing all defendants.

Does that make the eye witness testimony less accurate?

[Thorgrim]

Why are you people making such horrible arguments, didn't you do any world war 2 research yourselves, i feel like I'm the only person here who ever picked up a textbook on the Nazis, Jesus Christ

Rock, don't even listen to them, they're ignorant about the Nazis, just reply to me, last thing you wrote was:

I am not saying that they were not trying to eliminate every Jew, pole and other "subversives" in their control. I am saying that they had no plans to eliminate the Jews from the world.

NOW, THE PLAN WAS IN WRITING IN 1942 AND SEEN BY EVERY MAJOR NAZI GOVERNMENT AGENCY, THIS IS NOT IN ANY DISPUTE WHATSOEVER

THE TRANSCRIPT STATED:
"Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival".


When you say: THEY'LL ALL BE WORKED TO DEATH, AND THOSE WHO DO SOMEHOW MANAGE TO SURVIVE, CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO LIVE AND MUST BE DEALT WITH...THAT MEANS 100% OF THE JEWS WERE GOING TO BE KILLED

It's not even a real code language

On people with SOME Jewish Blood:
Persons of mixed blood of the first degree who are exempted from evacuation will be sterilized in order to prevent any offspring and to eliminate the problem of persons of mixed blood once and for all.

The Wansee Conference Protocol

You have no ground to stand on whatsoever, and I am stunned I am the only one who can totally refute this in seconds and I haven't read any book on the Nazis in over a decade, it's common knowledge, did any of you ever go to college?!?!? I am the only fucking one with an education?

[Spideynw]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ok. Your gonna have to explain that one.

The point is that a guess is a guess. It is completely meaningless. The fact that you would guess that people who do not believe the holocaust happened and people who hate Jews goes hand in hand is completely unprovable, so why even mention it? You could argue until you are blue in the face, and it would still prove nothing.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Does that make the eye witness testimony less accurate?

Torture and threats of execution do not lead to truthful confessions.

The trial was based on coerced testimony, had crooked judges and agenda driven attorneys.

They got some of the bad guys in the trial. They protected some of them too.

In war, the first casualty is truth.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

...in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival".


When you say: THEY'LL ALL BE WORKED TO DEATH, AND THOSE WHO DO SOMEHOW MANAGE TO SURVIVE, CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO LIVE AND MUST BE DEALT WITH...THAT MEANS 100% OF THE JEWS WERE GOING TO BE KILLED

It's not even a real code language

On people with SOME Jewish Blood:
Persons of mixed blood of the first degree who are exempted from evacuation will be sterilized in order to prevent any offspring and to eliminate the problem of persons of mixed blood once and for all.
...
You have no ground to stand on whatsoever, and I am stunned I am the only one who can totally refute this in seconds and I haven't read any book on the Nazis in over a decade, it's common knowledge, did any of you ever go to college?!?!? I am the only fucking one with an education?

But your whole argument is a BLATANT LOGICAL FALLACY and you lack the clarity of vision to see it!

You are so passionate in defending the SANCTIFIED but incomplete version of history from ANY divergent examination - EVEN EXAMINATION THAT EXPANDS the understand vs. revising it, that you have lost objectivity.

Your logical fallacy is in thinking that the two proposed motives are mutually exclusive, and they are not!

Yes... the Germans were really mean and most certainly targeted the Jews within their territory. That does not mean that they were not equally mean to ALL OTHER OPPOSITION GROUPS - including the POLISH RACE, communists, The White Rose, etc. ad nauseum.

Take off those coke bottle lenses Thorgrim, your myopia is hiding the big picture from you.

The NAZI PRIME motive had 0% to do with race! They destroyed all who opposed their radical corporate Socialism.

[7960]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

The NAZI PRIME motive had 0% to do with race! They destroyed all who opposed their radical corporate Socialism.

And you know the "truth" while the rest of the world has been blinded by........a jewish controlled media?

Historians, including german historians, have all been spoon-fed what the jews want them to know so they all came to the same conclusion?

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by 7960

And you know the "truth" while the rest of the world has been blinded by........a jewish controlled media?

Historians, including german historians, have all been spoon-fed what the jews want them to know so they all came to the same conclusion?

Oh good God give it a rest Chucklenuts. I have not even hinted that the media is "Jewish Controlled", or that "Da joos" are pushing this version of history for the sake of Jewishness.

The race angle diverts from the political angle. The NAZI party was a political party. Like ALL socialist movements, it uses race as a tool of control. Just like here in the US.

If you had bothered to READ my posts, you will come to the inescapable conclusion that I am 'blaming' collectivist politics for propping up the sanctified history.

Get it..... it distracts from the true villain of runaway Socialist government, and instead falsely places the blame on RACISM.

It is shortsighted and puts in all in great danger of repeating the mistakes of the past because we are looking for the wrong indicators of trouble.

[7960]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

Oh good God give it a rest Chucklenuts. I have not even hinted that the media is "Jewish Controlled", or that "Da joos" are pushing this version of history for the sake of Jewishness.

The race angle diverts from the political angle. The NAZI party was a political party. Like ALL socialist movements, it uses race as a tool of control. Just like here in the US.

If you had bothered to READ my posts, you will come to the inescapable conclusion that I am 'blaming' collectivist politics for propping up the sanctified history.

Get it..... it distracts from the true villain of runaway Socialist government, and instead falsely places the blame on RACISM.

It is shortsighted and puts in all in great danger of repeating the mistakes of the past because we are looking for the wrong indicators of trouble.

I don't care why they did it. The fact remains they hunted down JEWISH people for nothing more than being JEWISH and they tried to kill ALL OF THE JEWS.

In this post you say there was a political motivation, big fucking deal. You also say they targeted others, so what. In other posts you've claimed the 6M number is way too high and that jews were put on trains to "leave the area" because to nazis "exterminate" meant "to leave."

That's not intellectually dishonest, it's stupid.

[RockPusher]

[quote=7960;162039]I don't care why they did it. The fact remains they hunted down JEWISH people for nothing more than being JEWISH and they tried to kill ALL OF THE JEWS. [quote]


But YOU DO CARE why they did it. You believe that they did it 'cuz day wuz juiz'! That definition does not fit the facts.

They tried to kill ALL of the Polish in their grasp too. Do you think that they targeted the Polaks and Kulaks because they were Jews too?

In this post you say there was a political motivation, big fucking deal. You also say they targeted others, so what. In other posts you've claimed the 6M number is way too high and that jews were put on trains to "leave the area" because to nazis "exterminate" meant "to leave."

That's not intellectually dishonest, it's stupid.

You are all over the place here Sparky.

Try to separate your emotional convulsions into distinct thoughts and then we can discuss them.

The number of 6 mil is not backed up and is likely higher that the true number. There were only about 6mil Jewish folk in all of Europe at the time.

The Germans tried to get rid of the Jews by coercing them to emigrate elsewhere. They did not have any plans to target Jews outside of their influence. These two facts alone are not consistent with genocidal intent.

They even had Jewish people in the Reich! The Reich banker was a Jewish man.

They opposed those that opposed them. Those that they knew to be useful to them were spared.

[7960]

I say I'm not going to reply but like a car crash I keep coming back to look. The more I read your posts the more ignorant I feel. I just can't do it any more.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by 7960

The more I read your posts the more ignorant I feel. I just can't do it any more.

I have that effect on people who have a rudimentary understanding of the subject matter.

Don't worry Scro.... Crack a few books and you will feel AOK!

[Linzyhop]

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Roonie

I think if they won the war they would have absolutely tried to eliminate the Jews from the World.

Its all hearsay however because they didn't. We do know they were hell bent on eliminating every Jew that they could get their hands on within their sphere of control. That sphere of control widens and so does there intent.

The Nazi policy in the Middle East was that in exchange for Oil they promised the Muslims that they could remain in political power and dispose of the jews however they wanted. I am not sure how big a priority they made of eliminating Jews but we can say it would have reached well beyond their borders.