Hey! Come Look At The 500# Gorilla!

[RockPusher]

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Originally Posted by Roonie

I think if they won the war they would have absolutely tried to eliminate the Jews from the World.

Its all hearsay however because they didn't. We do know they were hell bent on eliminating every Jew that they could get their hands on within their sphere of control. That sphere of control widens and so does there intent.

Okay, I will play along with the assumption that they somehow manage to maintain totalitarian control of the entire Earth. You may indeed be right in the ultimate outcome, but that does not mean that it was their specific intent, and certainly not their motivation for expansion.

You want an eye opener on this? Talk to old Polish people about how nice the NAZIs were to them. The NAZIs had a final solution for them too. Hitler sent the "Deaths Heads" to Poland to kill every man woman and child in Poland who was of Polish blood OR language! When you ignore the other targeted groups you miss how utterly nasty the NAZIs really were. This whole notion that they were all madmen bent on attacking the poor Jewish folk minimizes their evil. It is like comparing a random hate crime perpetrator to a career mass murderer.

The NAZIs sought power. It was a ruthless and methodical movement that sought to obtain its goal of obtaining power without any regard to the methods used. It was very Machiavellian in nature. It was a giant corporation with closed board meetings. It gained the support of the people (although not a voting majority) by proclaiming a very progressive and green platform of change. It was a very new-age, hippy-esque movement. Nature magic, vegetarianism, renewing the forests, providing everybody with cheap transport and free social services for all. It was so well received in this already Collectivist culture, that a fast moving, massive socialist machine got traction and quickly and amorally proceeded to fulfill the ultimate end results of what Socialism is.

Those that are willing to make the hard decisions of a completely planned society without pause are the ones who rise to the top. The worst rise to the top. Hitler was the worst of the worst.

He believed in Aryan supremacy, and those peoples that helped him in conquered lands could be the slaves of the Third Reich.

The Jewish people were very organized and effective in combating the NAZI regime before anybody else began to oppose them. When the US, with 50% of its population being of Germanic blood, was trading with Hitler and admiring Germany's big come-back, the Jewish leaders opposed them.

The European Jewry was effective in enacting social change all over Europe. The were prominently placed even in the budding USSR, which was beginning to become an enemy of Germany.

The NAZI reaction to any opposition is to kill it.

BUT - The NAZI machine was not EXCLUSIVELY opposed to Judea, they were violently opposed to a HOST of groups and sought to exterminate ALL of them.

To try to reduce the NAZIs to merely Jew hater haters misses the point completely. The NAZIs show us the UNIVERSAL and EQUAL OPPORTUNITY brutality of radical Socialism. When you fixate on the NAZIs as hate criminals, you divert from the GRAND LESSON that WWII has to teach mankind.

The lesson is not one of base emotion leading a nation to committing atrocities, the lesson to be learned is the indignity and suffering caused by radical socialism. This is a vastly more important lesson than warmed over movies of Jewish oppression because WE ARE CURRENTLY TRAVELING THE SAME ROAD AS NAZI GERMANY BUT REFUSE TO SEE IT. We refuse to see because we are fixating on secondary issues instead of the 500 LB GORILLA in the room. The NAZI political system in relation to our own.

[7960]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

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No it didn't.

When the US, with 50% of its population being of Germanic blood, ..

What?

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by 7960

No it didn't.

I agree it doesn't need its own thread.

[Thorgrim]

this is a repeat of another thread and should be deleted as spam

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

this is a repeat of another thread and should be deleted as spam

It is a distinctly different thread because the original discussion was regarding the Jewish people being uniquely hated.


This thread is about the actual political and strategic motivation of the NAZIs. It highlights the important lessons that the struggle has to teach us.

If we ignore the lessons of the nature of radical socialism, we are dishonoring the dead.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by 7960

No it didn't.

What?

There is a HUGE number of folks in the US of Germanic blood. They are still the LARGEST ethnic group in the US.

[WickedLou9]

I'm here for the gang bang.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

When the US, with 50% of its population being of Germanic blood,

How can we believe anything you say when you are so wrong about something so simple? Why make stuff up?

Ancestry of U.S. Population by Rank
2000 Rank Ancestry group Number Percent
German 42,841,569 15.2%

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

How can we believe anything you say when you are so wrong about something so simple? Why make stuff up?

He said Germanic not German.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Scrum

He said Germanic not German.

You're right. That would explain the missing 35%

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

You're right. That would explain the missing 35%

I didn't say he was correct, I was just pointing out that you were wrong.

[7960]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

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No it doesn't.

BUT - The NAZI machine was not EXCLUSIVELY opposed to Judea, they were violently opposed to a HOST of groups and sought to exterminate ALL of them.

So "they weren't only interested in a jewish genocide, they wanted a few other groups wiped out, too!" is a valid defense for the nazis?

And I'm sure there were Poles who thought the nazis weren't so bad. But seeing at they killed 3,000,000 polish jews I'd say history's judgment is a little more accurate.


Oh yeah, and which version of "exterminate" are you using? The one where they put them on Rainbow Trains away from the Reich or the one where those trains head into crematoriums?

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by 7960

No it doesn't.

So "they weren't only interested in a jewish genocide, they wanted a few other groups wiped out, too!" is a valid defense for the nazis?

You would have to be !FUCHEN' STUPID! to believe that my posts DEFEND the NAZIs in ANY WAY.

Geeze.... WTF MAN!

I am devoting all of this prose to illustrate that the NAZIs were far more evil than you will ever know so long as you are locked into such a dumbed-down explanation of their motives and operations as "Dey did it cuz dey hated da jooz".

That is a stupid, shortsighted and dangerously incomplete explanation of their history.

No wonder America is going down the tubes. Sheeeeesh!

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by 7960

And I'm sure there were Poles who thought the nazis weren't so bad. But seeing at they killed 3,000,000 polish jews I'd say history's judgment is a little more accurate.

Damn man, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

The Poles were TARGETED FOR EXTERMINATION by the Nazis.

I doubt they gave a good G_Dam what the Germans were doing to the Jewish people because they were busy worrying about the 3 MILLION POLISH - NON JEWS that were MURDERED by the NAZIs.

What did the 3 Million Polish (Polak/Kulak) dead have in common with the Jews?

THEY OPPOSED THE NAZIs! The Polish military and Kulak resistance fought the Germans tooth and nail, and the Germans responded by trying to wipe them out.

If the French had offered such resistance, you can be sure the the NAZIs would have targeted them for extermination too!

It is not about race, it is about politics.

POLITICS has killed more people in the 20th century than ANYTHING else... More appropriately, SOCIALISM has killed about 100Million innocent people in the 20th Century.

[7960]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

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No it didn't.

.... their motives and operations as "Dey did it cuz dey hated da jooz".

Talk about intelligence going down the tubes..........

Show me where I said they did it because they hated the jews. Actually, show me where I said anything even remotely close to "they did it because ______________."

Link to my post where I say why.

[WickedLou9]

this thread is shitty

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by 7960

No it didn't.


Talk about intelligence going down the tubes..........

Show me where I said they did it because they hated the jews. Actually, show me where I said anything even remotely close to "they did it because ______________."

Link to my post where I say why.

The fact remains they hunted down JEWISH people for nothing more than being JEWISH and they tried to kill ALL OF THE JEWS.


(I dont know how to get a URL from a specific post)

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

this thread is shitty

Is that the extent of your keen insight and thoughtful commentary Lou?

[David Octavius]

Hey Rock if you want to explore the subject of Nazi horrors and atrocities fine but framing it within the scope of "the jews need to get over themselves" is not the way to do it.

Also you gotta stop being so insulting to 7960, he's been here a lot longer and as a lot more quality posts on the balance than you

[7960]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

The fact remains they hunted down JEWISH people for nothing more than being JEWISH and they tried to kill ALL OF THE JEWS.


(I dont know how to get a URL from a specific post)

I didn't say it was because of hate or because of politics or because they fought back or because they were taller or had better hair. I said they killed them because they were jewish. YOU are saying it was political. YOU are assigning some external reason, not me.