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Old 09-07-2006, 09:08 AM   #1
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Why did Bush change his tune on secret prisons and prisoners?

Why does everyone think Bush changed his stance on allowing terrorists to be granted rights according to the Geneva convention, and calling them POWs? Why do you think he decided to tell the world that we have secret CIA prisons? I really don't know any other reason except that he decided to do it based on pressure from people wanting to know
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 09:10 AM   #2
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Didn't he do it because the SC told him that was the case?
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 09:11 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent View Post
Didn't he do it because the SC told him that was the case?
oh is that why? i might have missed that. if so, consider this thread deleted.


but yeah, i don't see anywhere where he was required to do such a thing

BREITBART.COM - Bush Acknowledges Secret CIA Prisons
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 09:20 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
oh is that why? i might have missed that. if so, consider this thread deleted.


but yeah, i don't see anywhere where he was required to do such a thing

BREITBART.COM - Bush Acknowledges Secret CIA Prisons
My bad, I was thinking of the Gitmo ruling.
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 09:28 AM   #5
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if he comes out with it himself, it can't become a scandal when someone else leaks it. the last thing this admin needs is another scandal.
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 10:59 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by WickedLou9 View Post
if he comes out with it himself, it can't become a scandal when someone else leaks it. the last thing this admin needs is another scandal.
he was already accused of this months ago

another scandal? like plamegate?
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:02 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
he was already accused of this months ago

another scandal? like plamegate?
And he denied it months ago and they tried to go after the reporter who wrote about it.
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:03 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent View Post
And he denied it months ago and they tried to go after the reporter who wrote about it.
i don't remember that.
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:05 AM   #9
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the answer is either

a) "because it benefits him or the party somehow to admit it"
or
b) "because the cost of denying it is beginning to outweigh the usefulness of keeping it secret"
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:09 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
i don't remember that.
CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
 
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is this a good thing in your eyes?
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
is this a good thing in your eyes?
is what good?
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:12 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent View Post
according to that article, the White House has neither denied the existence of these 'black sites' nor have they 'gone after' the reporter who wrote this. to deny specifics of the operations is hardly a denial of existence.
 
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
is what good?
that he decided to 1) grant POW status to these guys and 2) admit to secret prisons

the EU seems to be upset that he has secret prisons...like they don't
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
according to that article, the White House has neither denied the existence of these 'black sites' nor have they 'gone after' the reporter who wrote this. to deny specifics of the operations is hardly a denial of existence.
That's only the original article that was written.
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:14 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent View Post
That's only the original article that was written.
oh, yeah i remember when it was outed. i want articles of the government's denial and them 'going after' the reporter.
 
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:23 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
oh, yeah i remember when it was outed. i want articles of the government's denial and them 'going after' the reporter.
From the same article
While the Defense Department has produced volumes of public reports and testimony about its detention practices and rules after the abuse scandals at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at Guantanamo Bay, the CIA has not even acknowledged the existence of its black sites. To do so, say officials familiar with the program, could open the U.S. government to legal challenges, particularly in foreign courts, and increase the risk of political condemnation at home and abroad.
And looking around, they didn't really go after her. Just brought her in to see if she broke any laws and to try and get her to reveal her sources.

She was attacked by the right-wing media which shouldn't surprise anyone.
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
he was already accused of this months ago

another scandal? like plamegate?
abu-greive? warrantless wiretapping? MIlitary Tribunals being struck down, holding prisoners for years without charges, the percieved failures in Iraq, not caputring Bin Laden...

I don't know if they all qualify as scandals but it's certainly a list that Bush won't want to add any more items to.

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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent View Post
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not acknowledging their existence is not the same as denying their existence.

And looking around, they didn't really go after her. Just brought her in to see if she broke any laws and to try and get her to reveal her sources.

She was attacked by the right-wing media which shouldn't surprise anyone.
yeah, i figured they didn't really 'go after' her, but i'm not surprised to hear they wanted to know how she got super secret information. don't you want to know how our government's secrets are so easily accessible? i know i do.

conservatives all over, such as myself, want to know why some in the media find it necessary to out many of our governments secrets, specifically military secrets in the time of a conflict. seems counterintuitive, not very smart, and certainly doesn't help our country much win whatever conflict we're in. sure, people might not agree with the conflict, but do they want us to lose? do they want to make it as hard as possible to win?
 
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent View Post
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And looking around, they didn't really go after her. Just brought her in to see if she broke any laws and to try and get her to reveal her sources.
Talking about classified programs will get you that treatment, even if you believe you are in the right to expose them.
 
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