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Why John McCain is the worst Republican candidate

Taxes

The reduction of tax rates on income and investment is a cornerstone of limited-government philosophy and economic growth. When the most important pro-growth tax cuts in a generation were proposed by President Bush in 2001 and 2003, Senator McCain vigorously opposed them. The depth of this opposition goes a long way towards tarnishing the Senator's fiscal credentials.

First, it is notable that Senator McCain stood so astride the Republican anti-tax position that he was one of only two Republican senators to oppose the 2001 tax cuts and one of only three GOP senators to oppose the 2003 reductions.

Second, Senator McCain's stated reason for opposing the Bush tax cuts rhetorically allied him with the most radical anti-growth elements of national politics. Senator McCain argued, "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief." Senator McCain's eager embrace of grossly inaccurate class-warfare demagoguery demonstrated, at best, a painful ignorance of pro-growth economic principles.

Third, Senator McCain not only voted against the Bush tax cuts, he joined leading liberal senators in offering and voting for amendments designed to undermine them. All in all, Senator McCain voted on the pro-tax side of 14 such amendments in 2001 and 2003. These included such odious measures as:

* An amendment sponsored by Senator John D. Rockefeller (D-WV) to prohibit a reduction in the top tax rate until Congress enacted legislation to provide a prescription drug benefit
* An amendment sponsored by Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) against full repeal of the Death Tax. This vote is in keeping with Senator McCain's 2002 vote against repealing the Death Tax
* An amendment sponsored by Tom Daschle (D-SD) and co-sponsored by Senator McCain to limit tax reduction in the top tax bracket to one percentage point

Finally, John McCain recently claimed that he has never voted for a tax increase, but the congressional record tells a different story. As Chairman of the Commerce Committee in 1998, he sponsored and voted for an enormous 282% tax increase on cigarettes.

Senator McCain's vigorous opposition to and misguided rhetoric against the most pro-growth tax cuts in twenty years should make economic conservatives very worried about the tax policies that would emanate from a McCain presidential administration.

Entitlements

During his 2000 presidential campaign, Senator McCain's plan for Social Security reform included a pledge to incorporate personal retirement accounts within his first year in office, and correctly criticized the inherent unfairness of the current program which forces "workers to give a portion of their hard-earned money to finance a system with low or negative returns for themselves."

This positive stance on personal accounts though, is marred by his willingness to raise Social Security taxes as part of a package that would include personal accounts. On a February, 23, 2005 edition of Meet the Press, Tim Russert asked Senator McCain if he would support "as part of the solution to Social Security's solvency problem, that you lift the cap so that you would pay payroll tax, Social Security tax, not just on the first $90,000 of your income, but perhaps even higher?" Senator McCain answered, "As part of a compromise I could . . . I'm proud of the job that Senator Lindsey Graham has been doing in his leadership position on this issue and showing some courage."

Raising Social Security taxes in this manner is not a sign of courage. It could constitute a massive tax increase and prove devastating to economic growth in this country. Furthermore, Senator McCain's support for Lindsey Graham's proposal to raise Social Security taxes contradicts his own observation about the woefully poor return workers receive. Raising taxes would only make that return worse. As Senator McCain hinted in 2000, it is not Social Security taxes that are too low, but the below-market return on those taxes that should most concern policy makers and taxpayers alike.

John McCain's support for raising Social Security taxes demonstrates that even his pro-growth positions tend to be muddied by a heavy anti-growth undercurrent. Unfortunately, this undercurrent can sweep away the good with the bad.

Regulation

Most egregious is Senator McCain's leadership role in two bills that would have drastically restricted free enterprise. The first was the Patients' Bill of Rights, which he sponsored with Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and former trial lawyer John Edwards (D-NC). The bill allowed the government to impose a set of onerous mandates on insurance coverage instead of allowing individuals to make their own decisions about healthcare plans in the marketplace.

Two years later, the Arizona maverick took a another swing at the free market with the Climate Stewardship Act, a bill he sponsored with Joe Lieberman (D-CT) to require greenhouse gas emissions to be reduced to 2000 levels by the year 2010. This intrusive bill was projected to cost $76 billion annually by 2025, with huge increases in the cost of electricity and gasoline according to the Department of Energy.

Unfortunately, these two bills do not close the book on Senator McCain's regulatory indiscretions. Over the years he has voted for a number of other big-government bills. These include:

* Voted for an amendment that would authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to set prices on prescription drugs under Medicare
* Voted against a bill that would prohibit an increase in CAFE standards
* Voted for an amendment that would prohibit oil drilling in part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in Alaska
* Voted (along with all of his Senate colleagues) in favor of the Sarbanes-Oxley legislation, an overreaction to corporate malfeasance that imposed heavy financial burdens on companies

Much like his record on taxes, these terrible votes cast a dark shadow on Senator McCain's positive votes. His anti-growth votes are exacerbated by his characteristic vociferousness in cases like the Patients' Bill of Rights and the Climate Stewardship Act. His occasional eagerness to support and encourage increased government regulation suggests a troublesome mistrust of the free market.

Political Speech

Senator McCain was the driving force behind the ultimate passage of the McCain-Feingold Act, a bill that imposed grossly unconstitutional restrictions on citizen participation in the political process.

Over the ten-plus years since Senator McCain first introduced campaign finance reform legislation, he has pursued his trampling of the First Amendment with a vengeance. On a April 28, 2006 taping of The Don Imus Show, McCain cavalierly admitted as much: "He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgement of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform . . . I know that money corrupts . . . I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."

In defense of the provision banning issue advocacy ads that mention a candidate 60 days before an election, McCain said, "These ads are almost always negative attack ads, and do little to further beneficial debate and healthy political dialogue." In his brief to the Supreme Court, Senator McCain continued along the same lines: "These ads are direct, blatant attacks on the candidates. We don't think that's right."

Thus, Senator McCain and his partner in crime, Senator Russ Feingold, have anointed themselves the arbiters of appropriate political speech, worthy of deciphering which speech is "right" and which should be permitted in American political debate. To this day, Senator McCain remains responsible for the greatest modern infringement of political free speech. While bestowing significant advantages upon incumbent office holders, this feat has created neither a less corrupt political domain nor a more democratic one.

Summary

However, McCain's maverick moralism often manifests itself in the form of more government, less freedom, and a distrust of the individual and the free market system. This is dramatically the case in his opposition to the Bush tax cuts, his class-warfare rhetoric, his occasional support for large-scale increased government regulation, his willingness to raise Social Security taxes, and of course, his abysmal record on political free speech.

Senator McCain's outspoken pursuit of anti-growth and anti-free-market policies in the realms of taxes, regulation, and campaign finance reveals a philosophical ambivalence, if not hostility, about limited government and personal freedom. This ambivalence, combined with a rebellious nature, often leaves taxpayers the victims of his latest cause célèbre. The evidence of his record and the virulence of his rhetoric suggest that American taxpayers cannot expect consistently strong economic policies from a McCain administration.

from the Heritage Foundation research paper on the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill

The Senate is currently considering a massive immigration reform bill, the "Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007" (S. 1348). This bill would grant amnesty to nearly all illegal immigrants currently in the United States.

The fiscal consequences of this amnesty will vary depending on the time period analyzed. It is expected that many illegal immigrants who are currently working "off the books" and paying no direct taxes will begin to work "on the books" after receiving amnesty, and therefore tax payments will rise immediately. By contrast, under S. 1348, benefits to these immigrants from Social Security, Medicare, and most means-tested welfare programs (such as Food Stamps, public housing, and Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) will be delayed for many years. In consequence, then, the increase in taxes and fines paid by amnesty recipients may initially exceed slightly the increase in government benefits received. In the long run, however, the opposite will be true. In particular, the cost of retirement benefits for amnesty recipients is likely to be very large. Overall, the net cost to taxpayers of retirement benefits for amnesty recipients is likely to be at least $2.6 trillion.
The Club For Growth - http://www.clubforgrowth.org
Amnesty Will Cost U.S. Taxpayers at Least $2.6 Trillion

I think it was Rush Limbaugh who said Huckabee or McCain will destroy the Republican Party, well looks like McCain will win, so after looking at this, will the GOP be destroyed? I think no new tax cuts will get through under him, and that will doom him come 2010, setting up a 2012 that will play out like 1992
 
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Old 01-21-2008, 12:44 AM   #2
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I would say that Huckabee is the worst.


Followed closely by McCain and Giuliani.


Thompson and Romney are ok. (though Romney appears so fake and has flipflopped so much)
 
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Old 01-21-2008, 06:58 PM   #3
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I think he's the most electable Republican candidate currently running who actually has a shot at the nomination

People like Thompson, Hunter, etc.. have been over for months, so it's really McCain, Huckabee, Romney, and maybe Mr. 911 if he manages something magical in Florida, but I doubt it.

Huckabee isn't liked by the hawkish economic conservatives, so whether the party will really back him is still a huge question. Romney is seen as hollow and willing to say anything to win, so he'll be easily attackable by Democrats come the general with the same shit used against Kerry.. And the more people get to know Mr. 911, the less they like him despite an impressive record in New York.

McCain, despite doing a 180 on every issue that was important to him to secure the support of the people who royally fucked him in 2000, is still liked well by Independents and whatnot.. so I mean, unless they can go after him for that, his negatives are really low from what I remember, vs someone like Hillary (Who's looking like she'll get the nomination unless there's some shenanigans at the convention) who has high negatives, I think he's their best shot to get a Republican in the White House.
 
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:03 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
I think he's the most electable Republican candidate currently running who actually has a shot at the nomination

People like Thompson, Hunter, etc.. have been over for months, so it's really McCain, Huckabee, Romney, and maybe Mr. 911 if he manages something magical in Florida, but I doubt it.

Huckabee isn't liked by the hawkish economic conservatives, so whether the party will really back him is still a huge question. Romney is seen as hollow and willing to say anything to win, so he'll be easily attackable by Democrats come the general with the same shit used against Kerry.. And the more people get to know Mr. 911, the less they like him despite an impressive record in New York.

McCain, despite doing a 180 on every issue that was important to him to secure the support of the people who royally fucked him in 2000, is still liked well by Independents and whatnot.. so I mean, unless they can go after him for that, his negatives are really low from what I remember, vs someone like Hillary (Who's looking like she'll get the nomination unless there's some shenanigans at the convention) who has high negatives, I think he's their best shot to get a Republican in the White House.
You seem to have confused electability with quality. They're not one in the same.
 
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:05 PM   #5
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No, I'm simply discussing another aspect of his candidacy compared to the other candidates.
 
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:06 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by motivez View Post
No, I'm simply discussing another aspect of his candidacy compared to the other candidates.
What does that have to do with being the worst or best?
 
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:13 PM   #7
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i love it... he's got no chance in the general election

looks more and more like we're gonna have president hillary
 
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Old 01-21-2008, 07:15 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
What does that have to do with being the worst or best?
I believe a large part of being the best candidate is being able to win in the general election versus the other party's nominee.
 
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:40 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM View Post
i love it... he's got no chance in the general election

looks more and more like we're gonna have president hillary
why does he have no chance in the general election?
 
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:24 AM   #10
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I think he's the most electable Republican candidate currently running who actually has a shot at the nomination
Agreed. Not only is he is most popular Republican (period), he's consistently ranked as the most popular politician in the US, as late as 2006 last time I checked. Not only that, he's the only Republican to best the Democrats in hypothetical matchup polling (e.g. Romney vs. Clinton, McCain vs. Clinton, etc).
 
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:39 AM   #11
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Agreed. Not only is he is most popular Republican (period), he's consistently ranked as the most popular politician in the US, as late as 2006 last time I checked. Not only that, he's the only Republican to best the Democrats in hypothetical matchup polling (e.g. Romney vs. Clinton, McCain vs. Clinton, etc).
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Thank you. I posted an introduction thread, but apparently it has to be approved.
 
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:23 PM   #13
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ANY VETS OUT THERE REMEMBER THIS?:

YouTube - John McCain in "Missing, Presumed Dead"

JOHN McCAIN WOULD DISGRACE THE WHITE HOUSE!
 
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I think it was Rush Limbaugh who said Huckabee or McCain will destroy the Republican Party, well looks like McCain will win, so after looking at this, will the GOP be destroyed? I think no new tax cuts will get through under him, and that will doom him come 2010, setting up a 2012 that will play out like 1992
You just gave all the reasons that I will vote for McCain. Good job. Bushs tax cuts did not help the economy. The economy was good because of the huge trade deficits that we have with almost every country in the world especially with China. We are existing on credit. The big housing boom, because of funny credit, also helped the economy, and who allowed that to happen. You ever think that conservative democrats just might like McCain positions.
 
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