Bill Clinton lying about Obama? No wei! - Page 3

hsmith · 01-22-2008, 09:25 PM

Obama was right "I don't know which Clinton I am running against"

But honestly, the Clintons are playing it perfectly. They allow Bill to be the attack dog and Hillary to attempt to be as "nice" as she can.

motivez · 01-23-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

Obama was right "I don't know which Clinton I am running against"

But honestly, the Clintons are playing it perfectly. They allow Bill to be the attack dog and Hillary to attempt to be as "nice" as she can.

It's also gotten Obama off his game and message, and he's starting to look angry and frustrated

I mean, he has every right to be, but it's hard to transition from sounding angry and frustrated and somewhat bitter into talking about hope and a different kind of politics..

7960 · 01-23-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

....... it's hard to transition from sounding angry and frustrated ...... into talking about hope and a different kind of politics..

I would find that very easy to do.

Give his listeners messages that start with "THIS is the kind of politics that needs to stop..." and "I get frustrated when my opponent adopts my message of 'change' but continues the same old ways..." Then go on with his message of change and how he plans to do it.

motivez · 01-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Sure, if he framed it like that from the start, but he's not doing that

He's sounding angry and frustrated and bitter, and it's not the butterflies and unicorns we've heard from him in the past

7960 · 01-23-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Sure, if he framed it like that from the start, but he's not doing that

He's sounding angry and frustrated and bitter, and it's not the butterflies and unicorns we've heard from him in the past

then he's fucking up

I should run a campaign

RMNIXON · 01-23-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

The next story will be Bill Clinton lying about having lied. It'll be like deja vu all over again.

Should we argue about the definition of "fairy tale?"

RMNIXON · 01-23-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

It's also gotten Obama off his game and message, and he's starting to look angry and frustrated

I mean, he has every right to be, but it's hard to transition from sounding angry and frustrated and somewhat bitter into talking about hope and a different kind of politics..

Republicans are ready to sponsor more Democrat Party debates like that one!

RMNIXON · 01-23-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Sure, if he framed it like that from the start, but he's not doing that

He's sounding angry and frustrated and bitter, and it's not the butterflies and unicorns we've heard from him in the past

But seriously, Obama made it look like the Clinton's got to him personally and that was a big mistake!

motivez · 01-23-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

But seriously, Obama made it look like the Clinton's got to him personally and that was a big mistake!

Yeah, that was my point.. it's taking it's toll on him and his message

7960 · 01-24-2008, 10:09 AM

Said better than anyone has so far.

Bill Clinton is lying.

YouTube Video

Donkey® · 01-24-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

Said better than anyone has so far.

Bill Clinton is lying.

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Well that was completely worthless. It is one guy making his opinion known and not backing it up with ANY evidence. Way to go.

7960 · 01-24-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Well that was completely worthless. It is one guy making his opinion known and not backing it up with ANY evidence. Way to go.

he had one minute to make his point........you want he should have pulled an OJ summation and spend 5 days presenting his evidence?

Donkey® · 01-24-2008, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

he had one minute to make his point........you want he should have pulled an OJ summation and spend 5 days presenting his evidence?

You acted like this was the holy grail of evidence. I just failed to see it.

7960 · 01-24-2008, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

You acted like this was the holy grail of evidence. I just failed to see it.

it's not the holy grail of evidence, it's just more to throw on the pile.

Donkey® · 01-24-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

it's not the holy grail of evidence, it's just more to throw on the pile.

And that's the pile of people calling Clinton a liar?

7960 · 01-24-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And that's the pile of people calling Clinton a liar?

if the shoe lies...
if the lie fits...
if the lying shoe...

fuck it, he's a liar.

RMNIXON · 01-24-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Yeah, that was my point.. it's taking it's toll on him and his message

He dropped 3 points in South Carolina after the debate!

But he still has a great lead over Hillary!

RMNIXON · 01-24-2008, 02:40 PM

NY Daily News:

Hillary goes negative

Thursday, January 24th 2008, 4:00 AM

Employing innuendo and half-truths against Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton and her husband, the former President, have introduced the politics of personal destruction to the Democratic presidential campaign. They bear responsibility for cheapening the tone of the contest.

Sen. Clinton began distorting Obama's record in Monday night's debate and yesterday began airing a television attack that twists a recent Obama statement about former President Ronald Reagan to the point of clear inaccuracy. Bill Clinton, meanwhile, has wrongly accused Obama both of injecting race into the debate and of running a negative campaign against his wife.

They have gone well beyond engaging in tough political jousting while steering the campaign far from the substantive issues. Their tactics are reminiscent of the unproductive, distasteful mudslinging that started with Bill Clinton's election and continued through George W. Bush's reelection.

Sen. Clinton has an obligation to restore her competition with Obama to the level of fairness that has generally prevailed for the past year. And Bill Clinton should heed the counsel of Democratic elders, including Sen. Ted Kennedy, Rep. Rahm Emanuel and former Sen. Tom Daschle, who have called on him to cease fire.

This is not to say that Obama deserves a pass from scrutiny and criticism. Nor is it to endorse him as the better of the two candidates. It is only to express distress that the Clintons have crossed the line into attacks that raise questions about how she might campaign were she the Democratic nominee and how she might govern were she elected to the Oval Office.

Hillary goes negative

The Machine is On!

motivez · 01-24-2008, 02:40 PM

Hillary doesn't need to win South Carolina for the nomination, it's historically been important to win the first few, but the primary calendar is so condensed this year, they mean less overall

Donkey® · 01-24-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

if the shoe lies...
if the lie fits...
if the lying shoe...

fuck it, he's a liar.

And people are calling him a liar because of what? Oh, that's right...we still HATE him. We have no evidence he's lying...just the fact we hate him is enough.