Sometimes, I am willing to laugh at members of my party

Thorgrim · 09-07-2006, 12:27 PM

Asked if they would only vote for a candidate who opposed the Iraq war at its inception in 2003, 56 percent of Democrats said no, and 41 percent said yes.

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Among the 517 identifying themselves as Democrats, 37 percent chose Clinton, and 20 percent favored former Vice President Al Gore.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, and Kerry's running mate, former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, trailed with 11 percent each.

CNN.com - Poll: Giuliani, Clinton favorites for 2008 nominations - Sep 7, 2006

Now I imagine Biden, Bayh, and/or Dodd got at least 1% combined, but most likely 1% each, doesn't really matter

Do the math though

ballz2wallz · 09-07-2006, 12:42 PM

and if clinton withdraws her nomination?

Wargasm · 09-08-2006, 09:41 AM

this election will be extremly hilarious and even more scary

JaJae · 09-08-2006, 11:28 AM

Hilary doesn't have a chance against Guiliani in my opinion. They're from the same state and it's obvious which one performed their job better and which one was a PR whore.

motivez · 09-08-2006, 06:24 PM

Guiliani wasn't popular on 9/10 if I remember right. Once people get past his post-9/11 NY mayor hero worship, I think plenty of candidates have a shot against him.

Scrum · 09-08-2006, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Guiliani wasn't popular on 9/10 if I remember right. Once people get past his post-9/11 NY mayor hero worship, I think plenty of candidates have a shot against him.

JaJae · 09-08-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Guiliani wasn't popular on 9/10 if I remember right. Once people get past his post-9/11 NY mayor hero worship, I think plenty of candidates have a shot against him.

Guiliani's results in NY speak for themselves. Hilary's lack of results also speaks wonders. He cleaned up the place. She made a name for herself on his success.

motivez · 09-08-2006, 06:49 PM

Hillary was a big name before anyone knew who Guiliani was, don't kid yourself by thinking she's riding coat tails of other people in NY.

smokie700 · 09-08-2006, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Hillary was a big name before anyone knew who Guiliani was, don't kid yourself by thinking she's riding coat tails of other people in NY.

If she was so great then why did she perform a nationwide poll to she where she would have the best chance of being elected? Why not try for her homestate?

motivez · 09-08-2006, 06:53 PM

Probably because when you want to be a member of the Senate, and are willing to move and become a member of a community, you want to do it in a place where you have a shot at being elected.

Would you expect her to move to bumfuck alabama and have a shot?

smokie700 · 09-08-2006, 06:56 PM

I thought the whole point of being an elected official was to represent your peers.

motivez · 09-08-2006, 06:57 PM

She moved there. She lives there. They are her peers now.

People are allowed to move, and after leaving the whitehouse it was a matter of "Where should we move to that will help me further my desired career?"

I don't find it any different than someone wanting to live in silicon valley to persue a tech job.

JaJae · 09-08-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Probably because when you want to be a member of the Senate, and are willing to move and become a member of a community, you want to do it in a place where you have a shot at being elected.

Would you expect her to move to bumfuck alabama and have a shot?

If that's her homestate... that's what most senators do.

motivez · 09-08-2006, 07:14 PM

Lord knows I'd like new Senators to maintain the "status quo", since it's been doing such a bangup job over the last decade.

garbagemanlb · 09-09-2006, 08:52 AM

Guiliani will not get the nomination for his views on social issues. The christian right has too strong of a hold on the republican primaries.

beez · 09-09-2006, 10:53 AM

Giuliani would put up a challenge but unless he announces his candidateship on 9/11 or while flanked by a bunch of chickenhawks on a battle carrier I doubt he'd win.

beez · 09-09-2006, 10:54 AM

And also, the NYS GOP is so completely fucked that they would probably fuck up a Giuliani campaign. They're like the national Democrats except worse if that's possible.