Ron Paul "moneybomb" trend collapses

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Well witnessing this little debate has really restored my faith that libertarians are ready and organized for 2010/2012

because the Democrats are such a solid and unified front, I mean look at how well Clinton & Obama and getting along. At least we aren't two presidential candidates getting into an ugly debate over race, we're a couple of libertarians getting into a friendly disagreement about the party.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Publius

because the Democrats are such a solid and unified front, I mean look at how well Clinton & Obama and getting along. At least we aren't two presidential candidates getting into an ugly debate over race, we're a couple of libertarians getting into a friendly disagreement about the party.

It's down to two people, one of them is going to lead the greatest nation in the world for the next few years, the other is going to political oblivion

One of them said "you were on the walmart board!"
The other retorted "you represented a slumlord!"

omg, the madness!

they have basically the exact same position on everything, and if i combined all their quotes on the issues and posted them here, you would have no idea who said what...now tell me you can say that about libertarians

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's down to two people, one of them is going to lead the greatest nation in the world for the next few years, the other is going to political oblivion

One of them said "you were on the walmart board!"
The other retorted "you represented a slumlord!"

omg, the madness!

they have basically the exact same position on everything, and if i combined all their quotes on the issues and posted them here, you would have no idea who said what...now tell me you can say that about libertarians

Most libertarians have a general agreement on most issues, so wtf are you arguing about?

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's been remarked several times that all the Democratic candidates sounded like clones at the early debates, and only very recently when it's become about personality rather than issues has there been any clashing

Yeah, the American International Socialist Party(Democratic Party) is pretty unified in its pro-warfare state, pro welfare state agenda as its base is unified in Socialist beliefs.

The American National Socialist Party (GOP) is more slippery in its double talk as it is trying to reconcile its pro-warfare, pro-welfare agenda with the views of its voter base who still think that we live in a Constitutional Republic.

America has one party with two wings, the Socialist party.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

Hamilton wanted a Monarchy - thank God he had very little influence during the constitutional convention...plus he was a political slime ball and many of contributions would of happened anyway in the natural growth of the nation

Anyway back on topic..RP is done, its a shame. But he can do something with money left to secure his movement for the next election even if he doesn't run. I also disagree that the libertarian movement collapsed.

Rumor has it he's going to keep all the money for his House Warchest, and sit on all that money given by libertarians for 2008 so he'll never have to fund raise again for any house race for the rest of his life

[Thorgrim]

Paul campaign spokesman Mark Elam indicated that Paul was planning on spending money from his presidential campaign on his House reelection bid. He went up on the airwaves Tuesday with his first advertisement, a radio spot touting his biography and legislative accomplishments.

Long shots face backlash at home - Josh Kraushaar - Politico.com

Now where are your news links about my sexuality?

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Paul campaign spokesman Mark Elam indicated that Paul was planning on spending money from his presidential campaign on his House reelection bid. He went up on the airwaves Tuesday with his first advertisement, a radio spot touting his biography and legislative accomplishments.

Long shots face backlash at home - Josh Kraushaar - Politico.com

Now where are your news links about my sexuality?

"Paul campaign spokesman Mark Elam indicated that Paul was planning on spending money from his presidential campaign on his House reelection bid." != "Rumor has it he's going to keep all the money for his House Warchest, and sit on all that money given by libertarians for 2008 so he'll never have to fund raise again for any house race for the rest of his life"

[Thorgrim]

uhm, that's exactly what it sounds like...I don't see why there is a "!" there

He's taking the money from his presidential bid...where he has been REALLY cheap, and putting it in his house warchest

[Publius]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

He was Publius... with Madison, so of course he was a BIG supporter of the Constitution. The Constitution was not happily accepted by all because of the strong anti-federalist viewpoint of the people. Hamilton, captain federalist, pushed and was VERY successful in winning support for the imperfect Constitution that many thought to be the most insidious plan to rob the liberties of free men and women.

Offer up something better that is workable.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by jimeigh

a Galt's Gulch, if you will?

This is something I've thought long and hard about, but there just aren't very many places that aren't claimed on this rock.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

uhm, that's exactly what it sounds like...I don't see why there is a "!" there

He's taking the money from his presidential bid...where he has been REALLY cheap, and putting it in his house warchest

A person in Paul's campaign has said that Paul may use some of his funds to fund his House campaign.


You stated Paul will sit on all the money and use all of the money for his House campaigns and be rich off of it.

You don't see the fucking difference?

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

uhm, that's exactly what it sounds like...I don't see why there is a "!" there

He's taking the money from his presidential bid...where he has been REALLY cheap, and putting it in his house warchest

Ron Paul is a man of honor. He doesn't take medicare payments or participate in the congressional pension.. does not take junkets... all because he believes that they amount to theft from the taxpayers.

I would need something more than thirdhand rumor to consider that Ron Paul would take money from the strapped American public intended for his presidential bid and use it for ANY other purpose.

I am not a betting man. I would wager a C note that you are mistaken.

I am no expert on the subject, but I would think that doing so would be illegal.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by lew

A person in Paul's campaign has said that Paul may use some of his funds to fund his House campaign.


You stated Paul will sit on all the money and use all of the money for his House campaigns and be rich off of it.

You don't see the fucking difference?

i said it was a rumor...paul's campaign=pretty good source for rumors about paul

using funds to fund house campaign = putting funds in warchest

in neither case is anyone implying he'd be rich, and i never suggested he'd be rich off the donations...you're making that up

If he channels all that money into his house warchest, there is no way he can spend it all in 2008, the district voted +30 Bush and he has no serious primary challenger, so yes he'll sit on it

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by thewise1

This is something I've thought long and hard about, but there just aren't very many places that aren't claimed on this rock.

There is a neighborhood in Eugene Oregon where the property owners have converted the alleys into an insular enclave with a few businesses. It is a little hippie utopia with unfettered free trade in its tiny boundaries. Very fun, Very unique, Very Free.....

I wonder if it is still there?

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by RockPusher

There is a neighborhood in Eugene Oregon where the property owners have converted the alleys into an insular enclave with a few businesses. It is a little hippie utopia with unfettered free trade in its tiny boundaries. Very fun, Very unique, Very Free.....

I wonder if it is still there?

Although those experiments fascinate me, the fundamental problem to building a 'galt's gulch' in the USA is that it would attract people that would attract government attention, thus ruining it, even if those people should have the right to do whatever they are doing.

[Fed Up]

Ron Paul had two huge advantages: In Iowa, the biggest breakthrough of young and new voters ever seen, should be "sick of the old liberals and neocons bickering" yet they go 2-1 Democratic

As far as the youth go, they ARE indoctrinated by our liberal colleges and universities so this is no surprise. My nephew and his group of college friends, all Ron Paul supporters, see through this.

Now, the 3rd Ron Paul Money bomb has gone off...less than one third of his last moneybomb, and less than half of the one before that...about 1.9 million...

January is a tough time for anyone marketing products as many spent their wad at Christmas.

Instead of growing, or even staying steady...or even going back to his November levels, he's collapsed financially

Hardly. He has raised over 3.3 million so far this month alone.

Nevada 2nd place. Florida will be interesting. He's raised more money in California than any other state. Super Tuesday will be interesting.

Then when all the other bloke's are gone, Paul will be taking his warchest with him all the way till November.

The rEVOLution lives!

Fed Up

[Thorgrim]

Florida and the rest will be interesting, but not to Ron Paul, and there is no big campaign underway...the super tuesday states are up for movement as all the Republicans are broke and don't have money...only Romney might be able to righth himself a check, the rest can't afford it...but Paul can

Be he's not from everything I've seen, because he's given up, and if his political staff is to be believed, he's just giving some speeches and going to channel that money to his house warchest and that'll be the end of it

[thomez]

right

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Be he's not from everything I've seen, because he's given up, and if his political staff is to be believed, he's just giving some speeches and going to channel that money to his house warchest and that'll be the end of it

Just curious, what makes you think he has "given up?" You think that all Ron Paul stands for is his district? You think all of the words he has written in his Library (Ron Paul Library - Articles and speeches by Ron Paul) for the last 30 years are penned to help him "channel money to his house warchest?" You think that a guy who doesn’t take congressional pay raises or participate in the generous congressional pension is so selfish that he's going to keep all the money he's raised for himself?

If so, then you don't know Ron Paul, and evidently you do think this is all he stands for because you "tagged" this thread with the word "failure."

My evidence trumps your speculation.

Fed Up