I STILL don't know who to Vote for

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

McCain is the candiate most in check with what the majority of Americans want, even if they don't know it yet (Iraq, immigration)

This catches a lot of flak from his party, but he is used to it both literally and figuratively. He wears it as a badge of honor and I belive will continue what he thinks is best for this country as President.

PS. vote McCain!

Of course he is. He flip-flops his opinions based on what he thinks will win him the election.

[lew]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

McCain is the candiate most in check with what the majority of Americans want, even if they don't know it yet (Iraq, immigration)

This catches a lot of flak from his party, but he is used to it both literally and figuratively. He wears it as a badge of honor and I belive will continue what he thinks is best for this country as President.

PS. vote McCain!

Yes, because most Americans want to stay in Iraq for 100 years and want amnesty for illegal immigrants.

[firecracker]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

riiiiiight.

romney with control on illegal immigration. doubtful.

SURELY YOU GEST! You cant really be that naive can you. Who do you think is going to get this country under control. Hillary or Obama?
s n
I guess "its not my fault" doesnt care much about America.

alipac.us

[firecracker]

voting for McCain is like voting for Micky Mouse. He is senile and knows nothing about economics or national security!

AND HE WILL OPEN UP AMERICA TO EVERY 3RD WORLD NATION BY THROWING OUT A HUGE WELCOME MATT!

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by firecracker

voting for McCain is like voting for Micky Mouse. He is senile and knows nothing about economics or national security!

AND HE WILL OPEN UP AMERICA TO EVERY 3RD WORLD NATION BY THROWING OUT A HUGE WELCOME MATT!

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Of course he is. He flip-flops his opinions based on what he thinks will win him the election.

because his ideas about immigration and the war on iraq were so popular almost everyone was calling his candidacy DOA

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by firecracker

voting for McCain is like voting for Micky Mouse. He is senile and knows nothing about economics or national security!

AND HE WILL OPEN UP AMERICA TO EVERY 3RD WORLD NATION BY THROWING OUT A HUGE WELCOME MATT!

McCain is retired military officer, he has spent over 20 years in the Armed Services Committee.

Who is more qualified on issues of national security?

[Ironduke]

- Huckabee and Romey are elusive figures for me, I am not quite sure what to make of them, perhaps you guys can shed some light for me?

Huckabee's a nice guy but he can't win the Presidency, imo. Romney's slick and he's changed every single one of his policy stances in the past few years.

He once said "Look, I was an independent during Reagan-Bush. I don't want to return to Reagan-Bush." I liked Reagan... how dare he invoke Reagan's name after clearly disowning him. He was the first Republican candidate to attack below the belt, and the rest of the Republican candidates dislike him personally because of his slimy tactics. I believe he'll say anything he needs to to be elected to political office. He touts his economic credentials yet Massachusetts had the third-worst performing economy in the Union during his term as governor. There were 8500 less people employed at the end of his term than in 2002, and nearly a quarter-million people moved from the state.

If there were medals to be awarded in the contest for worst economic performance in the United States during his term, Romney clearly won the bronze. If it weren't for post-Katrina Louisiana he would have won the silver.

He's just like the other Massachusetts liberal who ran in 2004.

As you can tell, I'm a supporter of John McCain. I admire his character, integrity, and though I disagree in part with some of his policy stands I find myself in agreement with most of his policies. I like John McCain's stand regarding pork-barrel spending, but let's keep in mind that pork is just the most egregious type of government waste. I believe he'll also reduce inefficiency and redundancy in government, and has the best chance of balancing the budget. Let's face it, the interest payments on our national debt are greater than the deficit (approx. 400 billion each). I believe he's the only Republican capable of winning the election in November, whereas Romney and the others would lose. He has appeal among Democrats and Independents, which will be critical in winning the election.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I would just remind you that McCain is similiar to George Bush's father...and recently to his son

Bush of 1988 appointed judges on the court of appeals that made the unanimous ruling in 2004 that stated that any person, including US citizens like yourself, who are declared by anyone associated with the administration of being an "enemy", can be held in a secret prison for life without any chance to even see a lawyer, let alone a trial

That Hamdi case over-turned it...barely...Stevens and Ginsburg are in poor health, if they go...that ruling with the majority one, and you will have no right to counsel or a right to a trial

Also, even if you don't step on the wrong guys toes, your life will lose any right to privacy, hundreds of thousands of women will face back alley abortions and death because they were taken advantage of and can't possibly afford a child, and there is a strong possibility brown v. board would be over-turned, and segregation could return in our schools

There is more, I could go on...but you get the picture and I don't think anyone wants to live in that dystopia

I agree that we can't have a court skewed too much to the right especially when it comes privacy issues and the rights of dew process but they will not turn over Roe vs Wade and certainly not brown v board.

Roe v Wade is too ingrained as a moderate, mainstream right to be entirely overturned besides fringe parts like late term abortions etc and if Brown was ever overturned they would be a blacklash against government that hasn't been seen in over a hundred years.

It's Senate responsibility to diligently grill any nominees and the Demos will have enough power to at least to try to force the President to present slightly more moderate if just right of center, nominees

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

I agree that we can't have a court skewed too much to the right especially when it comes privacy issues and the rights of dew process but they will not turn over Roe vs Wade and certainly not brown v board.

Roe v Wade is too ingrained as a moderate, mainstream right to be entirely overturned besides fringe parts like late term abortions etc and if Brown was ever overturned they would be a blacklash against government that hasn't been seen in over a hundred years.

It's Senate responsibility to diligently grill any nominees and the Demos will have enough power to at least to try to force the President to present slightly more moderate if just right of center, nominees

People lie, Alito and Roberts were extremely misleading...what is to stop someone from faking a centrist background...impeachment? The GOP have enough senators to stop that

Even if you were under the illusion that current Democratic Senators had a backbone, there is only so much they can delay...fuck he doesn't even need to appoint anyone, with Ginsburg/Stevens gone or dead, it's a 7 person court with 4 majority of hard right wing judges

Read Scalia's comments on Brown, read Alito and Thomas on Hamdi, this is not a game

For christ sake, Scalia, leader of the conservative court (fuck Roberts title) has said he would vote to overturn Brown

that's just the extreme example, all the justices support a "privacy doesn't matter...we live in a police state" mentality

Search Warrants? Don't need them anymore
Right to a lawyer? That's only a few decades old, easy to over rule...justices have already made it clear they'd love to get rid of Miranda rights and all the other "pampering" we've done to give basic rights whenever the police confront you

The court ruled homosexual sex was illegal, than it was legal, how easy would it be to turn it back to illegal

Everyone of Pat Robertson's dreams of a christian theocracy ruled with an Iron Fist would be possible with just one more republican judge

I guess foxnoise is all people talk about, and people think supreme court cases are boring, but you have no idea how much power these justices have, and how many decisions over the past few decades have radically advanced america, and are SCORNED by conservatives, who are just waiting to toss it all out the window

i guess ill just try to scrap together some money and move out to iowa or something and start a farm, hunker down like the italians did when fascism came to power in Italy

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

i guess ill just try to scrap together some money and move out to iowa or something and start a farm, hunker down like the italians did when fascism came to power in Italy

Never thought I would see Thorgrim joining a militia movement

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by lew

Yes, because most Americans want to stay in Iraq for 100 years and want amnesty for illegal immigrants.

we have been in Japan and Germany for over 50 years now, most Americans approve that.

He does not want amnesty, but it is good political rhetoric. Anyone who believes that it is feasible to remove all illegal immigrants in this country must also want a huge increase in the federal government.

Republicans claim to want to "fix" immigration, yet they kill all proposals.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

we have been in Japan and Germany for over 50 years now, most Americans approve that.

He does not want amnesty, but it is good political rhetoric. Anyone who believes that it is feasible to remove all illegal immigrants in this country must also want a huge increase in the federal government.

Republicans claim to want to "fix" immigration, yet they kill all proposals.

False comparison - are our soldiers in any danger over there? Is there a "green zone" that is locked down? Do they have checkpoints over there? C'mon man you know better than that

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I am curious what you think of the judicial consequences of a ultra-right wing court, if a GOPer were elected

That really depends on which one... Paul would have some very different recommendations for Superme Court than, say, Hucklebean.

[firecracker]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Of course he is. He flip-flops his opinions based on what he thinks will win him the election.

Watch this video of John McCain. It will make you sick- that is IF YOU CARE ABOUT AMERICA!

YouTube - John McCain Defends Amnesty & Open Borders Juan Hernandez

Illegal Immigration ALIPAC

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by firecracker

IF you want OPEN BORDERS and a bunch of illegal immigrants running amok, then choose any Democrat you want to.
If you want illegal immigrants running all over the place and an OLD ZOMBIE for president, choose Republican McCain who is ready for the funny farm.
IF YOU WANT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TO STOP AND YOU WANT SOME CONTROL OVER THE LACK OF BORDER SECURITY, CHOOSE ROMNEY OR PAUL. Its that simple.
alipac.us

Even simpler. Paul....


Romney is a viper.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

False comparison - are our soldiers in any danger over there? Is there a "green zone" that is locked down? Do they have checkpoints over there? C'mon man you know better than that

the 100 years quote was taken out of context by most anti-McCain people but that was what he saying.

YouTube Video

I feel like spamming the video everytime someone says 100 YEARS LOL. But they are taking the quote of context.

"AS LONG AS AMERICANS ARE NOT BEING INJURED OR HARMED OR WOUNDED OR KILLED, IT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME"

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by firecracker

Watch this video of John McCain. It will make you sick- that is IF YOU CARE ABOUT AMERICA!

YouTube - John McCain Defends Amnesty & Open Borders Juan Hernandez

Illegal Immigration ALIPAC

he doesn't defend him at all, did you even watch the video?

"He is on my staff because he supports my positions...I don't know what his previous positions were, he supports mine I have nothing to do with his"

[Ironduke]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

False comparison - are our soldiers in any danger over there? Is there a "green zone" that is locked down? Do they have checkpoints over there? C'mon man you know better than that

There's tens of thousands of artillery pieces aimed at Seoul and US military bases in South Korea, and for 45 years we stood face to face with the Soviet military machine in Germany. So yes, there's still danger in South Korea and there was danger in Germany for most of the time we were there.

McCain's point about Iraq has nothing to do with fighting an insurgency for 100 years, it's about first defeating the insurgents and terrorists then maintaining a military presence after peace is secured there.

AND HE WILL OPEN UP AMERICA TO EVERY 3RD WORLD NATION BY THROWING OUT A HUGE WELCOME MATT!

McCain doesn't support illegal immigration and he doesn't want to fling our borders open to everybody who wants to come. There's a pragmatic solution to illegal immigration, and it certainly isn't rounding them all up Gestapo-style. Hell, why don't we build enormous cannon and just shoot them across the Rio Grande?

Like cocaine and heroin, the true problem with immigration lies with domestic demand. Simply put, if there was no demand for illegal immigrant labor in the United States there would be a drastically reduced supply. Fingers should be pointed at those who illegally employ them. Arizona has recently introduced a new law with harsh penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants. If we want to solve the problem of illegal immigration, first we need to solve the problem of domestic demand for their labor.