Obama Wins!

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

You'd have a point if he didn't come in a close second in NH and first in all-white Iowa.

I have to agree with this. I don't look at the Billary loss in SC as a Bill Clinton loss. I see it as Clinton at one point having upwards of a 20 point lead and suddenly crashing down and losing by almost 30 points. Hillary Clinton in face of a tremendous upset ran away from SC with her tail tucked between her legs and allowed her pit bull to abuse the media attention focused around SC to smear her contender. What that shows is more divisive and partisan politics that the Democrats as a whole are starting to get sick of. This was a loss on many levels for the Clinton camp.

[garbagemanlb]

I also don't think it is fair to say he 'only' got 24% of the white vote when there were 1) three candidates running (including the native Edwards) and 2) almost HALF of the young white vote went to Obama.

Not to mention that poll conducted the day before by MSNBC that said Obama would be lucky to get 10% of the white vote.

No, the media will portray this as a rout, as they should. Between this and key endorsements, only bad things will come from this for Hillary.

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I have to agree with this. I don't look at the Billary loss in SC as a Bill Clinton loss. I see it as Clinton at one point having upwards of a 20 point lead and suddenly crashing down and losing by almost 30 points. Hillary Clinton in face of a tremendous upset ran away from SC with her tail tucked between her legs and allowed her pit bull to abuse the media attention focused around SC to smear her contender. What that shows is more divisive and partisan politics that the Democrats as a whole are starting to get sick of. This was a loss on many levels for the Clinton camp.

agreed.

[Thorgrim]

Iowa caucus has never been important to Democrats...the last non-incumbent Democrat to win the caucus and the presidency was...no one in 30+ years, and I don't know how it was even setup before that

And coming second in a state you were supposed to win by 15 points...was a pretty big loss

[Thorgrim]

It'd be pretty sad if Jesse Jackson got 14% of the white vote and Obama only got 10%

Again, Hillary had a 20 point lead...in November...this is getting pretty silly, Hillary had a 20-30 point lead EVERYWHERE, you could use that logic to say every win Hillary doesn't get by 30pts sucks because she had a bigger lead in the past...i already pointed out that no one would be surprised by McCain winning Florida yet in November Rudy was up 20 points over him and everyone else

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It'd be pretty sad if Jesse Jackson got 14% of the white vote and Obama only got 10%

Interesting you say this:

YouTube Video

[Thorgrim]

Let me guess, that's racist?

JaJae is turning on the Politically-Correct police sirens?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Let me guess, that's racist?

JaJae is turning on the Politically-Correct police sirens?

It's a false presumption and not good politics. Jesse Jackson got virtually no white vote.

Attempted Ghettoization: Now that Bill Clinton has explicitly belittled Obama's South Carolina victory by comparing it to Jesse Jackson's, how does Obama's share of the white vote compare with Jackson's in 1988? Obama got about a quarter (24%) of the white vote, according to exit polls. ... Was there even an exit poll of the 1988 caucuses? I can't find one. ... Update: Alert emailer L finds the following in a Christian Science Monitor story from March 17, 1988:

Although Jackson's white support was significantly higher in South Carolina than in 1984 - it is estimated this year at between 5 and 10 percent of the voters - he has not made much headway with populist, blue-collar whites ... [E.A.]

24% vs. 5-10%. It looks as if Bill Clinton's comparison will not work to his wife's advantage. ... More: Tom Maguire asks the same question and gets the same answer, from an old New York Times story. The "5 percent to 10 percent" estimate of the white vote for Jackson seems to come from "party leaders." ... Maguire has several other useful comments. ... [Aren't you doing exactly what Charles Franklin recommended and you pooh-poohed--looking at exit polls?--ed Yes. Maybe someone else can derive numbers from the actual hard county-buy-county vote count.]

Obama beats... Jesse Jackson? - By Mickey Kaus - Slate Magazine

If you look at the exit polls from SC you'll find Obama swept on more than just Race and Gender.
Election Center 2008: Primary Exit Polls - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com

I don't see how anyone can spin this as anything but an overwhelming victory for Obama in virtually every possible way.

[motivez]

Of course it's an overwhelming victory, but you have to look at the makeup of South Carolina voters compared with other states.. the benefits he had here, he wont have in other states

That's not to say he wont win them, but SC is like a perfect storm in favor of his candidacy.

[Thorgrim]

what's a false presumption and what's not good politics?

He said a true fact: Jesse Jackson ran a good campaign and won South Carolina twice...Obama ran a good campaign and won South Carolina

Despite what you think, among black registered Democrats, Jesse Jackson is not some evil man, in fact he is very popular and well-respected

That's why on TW, when Obama was confronted with Clinton's statement on Jesse Jackson, Obama had nothing but nice words to say

JJ won 14% of the white vote (That's what is being stated on several networks, I believe CNN and Fox News), BO won 24% of the white vote...sorry that doesn't strike me as a huge difference

Huge difference? That's where Obama won approx 80% of the Nevada black vote but still lost the caucus, and handily lost the Hispanic vote to Hillary

[Thorgrim]

Hey, the Obama campaign is now giving it's biggest celebration to a Ted Kennedy endorsement, they are absolutely loving it and hinging their campaign on his good word lifting their campaign

Ted Kennedy is such a revered figure, the Obama campaign is crazy happy over this, in their eyes it really gives them a big boost of respect

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Hey, the Obama campaign is now giving it's biggest celebration to a Ted Kennedy endorsement, they are absolutely loving it and hinging their campaign on his good word lifting their campaign

Ted Kennedy is such a revered figure, the Obama campaign is crazy happy over this, in their eyes it really gives them a big boost of respect

Caroline Kennedy comparing Obama in a NYT editorial to her father is a pretty good endorsement, I'd say.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

Caroline Kennedy comparing Obama in a NYT editorial to her father is a pretty good endorsement, I'd say.

I'm talking about Ted, it's all over the news, go to cnn.com and hit their political ticker

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I'm talking about Ted, it's all over the news, go to cnn.com and hit their political ticker

There are a lot of people endorsing Obama and he's going to milk them all up the same as those who endorsed Hillary. You don't think Hillary would have gloated over the Kennedy endorsement she would have received if Bill wasn't out acting like a buffoon?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

what's a false presumption and what's not good politics?

Perhaps you missed the question he was asked. It's just more BS from Bill bringing race into this election as the Hillary supporters are also doing. Obama is not Jesse Jackson. He is a uniter and does very much better with whites that Jesse ever did. Jackson also has a bad stigma around him regarding his personal life, morals and issues. The comparison is nothing other than bringing race into the election and further dividing the party as the Billary camp has consistently been doing. It is the reason Obama received Kennedy's endorsement and it is the reason the media and pundits are beginning to turn on them.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

There are a lot of people endorsing Obama and he's going to milk them all up the same as those who endorsed Hillary. You don't think Hillary would have gloated over the Kennedy endorsement she would have received if Bill wasn't out acting like a buffoon?

Ben Nelson of Nebraska...very moderate, influential and important Senator...Obama's campaign was happy, haven't really heard much about it recently

However, Ted Kennedy's endorsement...really has blown the lid off

It's just that Sen. Kennedy gets a lot more respect than any other statesman, in this new center-left coalition that is turning out voters across the country in record numbers

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Perhaps you missed the question he was asked. It's just more BS from Bill bringing race into this election as the Hillary supporters are also doing. Obama is not Jesse Jackson. He is a uniter and does very much better with whites that Jesse ever did. Jackson also has a bad stigma around him regarding his personal life, morals and issues. The comparison is nothing other than bringing race into the election and further dividing the party as the Billary camp has consistently been doing. It is the reason Obama received Kennedy's endorsement and it is the reason the media and pundits are beginning to turn on them.

14%...24%...the only thing i would say is that in 20 years, white people have gotten less racist

Maybe somewhere else Jackson has this bad stigma, but not in Democratic Primaries...certainly not with the Obama campaign or Obama himself:
“This campaign has been about giving hope since Day One and I am proud to have the support of my friend Jesse Jackson. It is because people like Jesse ran that I have this opportunity to run for president today.”

I just find it funny that you're on the extreme left end of the Obama camp on this one

They are complaining that you can't talk about black politicians who didn't get the nomination, that's where the outrage is...it's the most uptight politically correct stance I've ever seen and you're the last person I expected to join the ultra-left PC crowd

It's over the blogs "I can't believe this racism, you have a black man win a primary and instantly you have to have a white ex president come in and talk about where a black person won the state but lost the nomination..."

It's ridiculous, Bill Clinton can't even point out the facts... that black politicians in serious campaigns always do well in South Carolina...without being called a racist

Politically Correct Police

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Ben Nelson of Nebraska...very moderate, influential and important Senator...Obama's campaign was happy, haven't really heard much about it recently

However, Ted Kennedy's endorsement...really has blown the lid off

It's just that Sen. Kennedy gets a lot more respect than any other statesman, in this new center-left coalition that is turning out voters across the country in record numbers

maybe it has to do with name recognition, Ted Kennedy is much more well known than Bill, I mean Ben Nelson.

Also it furthers the idea that Obama is like JFK

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

Caroline Kennedy comparing Obama in a NYT editorial to her father is a pretty good endorsement, I'd say.

How about Ted Kennedy's?

Is the great liberal blowhard about to break wind for Obama?

Ted Kennedy endorsing Obama

Email|Link|Comments (0) Posted by James F. Smith January 27, 2008 12:29 PM
By Susan Milligan
Globe staff

WASHINGTON -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy will endorse Barack Obama for president tomorrow, breaking his year-long neutrality to send a powerful signal of where the legendary Massachusetts Democrat sees the party going -- and who he thinks is best to lead it.

Kennedy confidantes told the Globe today that the Bay State's senior senator will appear with Obama and Kennedy's niece, Caroline Kennedy, at a morning rally at American University in Washington tomorrow to announce his support.
That will be a potentially significant boost for Obama as he heads into a series of critical primaries on Super Tuesday, Feb. 5.

Kennedy believes Obama can ``transcend race'' and bring unity to the country, a Kennedy associate told the Globe. Kennedy was also impressed by Obama's deep involvement last year in the bipartisan effort to craft legislation on immigration reform, a politically touchy subject the other presidential candidates avoided, the associate said.

The coveted endorsement is a huge blow to New York Senator Hillary Clinton, who is both a senatorial colleague and a friend of the Kennedy family. In a campaign where Clinton has trumpeted her experience over Obama's call for hope and change, the endorsement by one of the most experienced and respected Democrats in the Senate is a particularly dramatic coup for Obama.
"The America of Jack and Bobby Kennedy touched all of us. Through all of these decades, the one who kept that flame alive was Ted Kennedy,'' said Representative Bill Delahunt, A Quincy Democrat who is also backing Obama. ``So having him pass on the torch [to Obama] is of incredible significance. It's historic.''

Obama's landslide win in South Carolina yesterday gives Obama and Clinton two wins each in the primary campaign, and puts the two senators in a fierce battle for delegates on Feb. 5, when 22 states will hold Democratic primaries and caucuses.

While polls show Clinton ahead in some large states, including her home state of New York and delegate-rich California, the Kennedy endorsement gives Obama a stamp of approval among key constituencies in the Democratic party that could make Super Tuesday more competitive.

Kennedy plans to campaign actively for Obama, an aide said, and will focus particularly among Hispanics and labor union members, who are important voting blocks in several Feb. 5 states, including California, New York, New Jersey, Arizona and New Mexico.

The Massachusetts senator was key in helping his colleague, Senator John F. Kerry, score a comeback win in Iowa in 2004, sending Kerry on a path to the nomination. Kennedy campaigned on his own and released several senior members of his staff to work for Kerry.

Ted Kennedy endorsing Obama - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by JaJae