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Old 04-18-2008, 10:36 PM   #321
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The Clintons get hit with another Judas.

If the Democratic presidential race were a poker game, by now you'd have to suspect that Barack Obama's campaign is dealing from the bottom of the deck: Rarely a day goes by when it doesn't slap another ace down on the table. The aces in this (possibly strained) metaphor are endorsements, and it often seems as if the Obama operation has an inexhaustible supply at its disposal. In the past week alone, it has announced the support of congressmen from North Carolina and Indiana; the Utah state party chair; the Oklahoma state party's chief fundraiser; 25 South Dakota state legislators; the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers; and, not least, The Boss. Some of these endorsers are superdelegates, and thus of no small consequence to the outcome of the race. Others are simply window-dressing, deployed to create a sense of ineluctable momentum in Obama's direction. But none have the particular resonance of the endorsement that's coming — unbeknownst to the campaign — a little later today.

The endorsement in question is that of Robert Reich, Bill Clinton's first Secretary of Labor and a friend of both the former president and his wife for four decades. Around 1 p.m. EST, Reich informs me, he intends formally to declare his support for Obama on his blog.
"I've known her 40 years. I was absolutely dead set against getting into the whole endorsement thing. I've struggled with it. I've not wanted to do it. Out of loyalty to her, I just felt it would be inappropriate."

So what's changed? I asked Reich.

"I saw the ads" — the negative man-on-street commercials that the Clinton campaign put up in Pennsylvania in the wake of Obama's bitter/cling comments a week ago — "and I was appalled, frankly. I thought it represented the nadir of mean-spirited, negative politics. And also of the politics of distraction, of gotcha politics. It's the worst of all worlds. We have three terrible traditions that we've developed in American campaigns. One is outright meanness and negativity. The second is taking out of context something your opponent said, maybe inartfully, and blowing it up into something your opponent doesn't possibly believe and doesn't possibly represent. And third is a kind of tradition of distraction, of getting off the big subject with sideshows that have nothing to do with what matters. And these three aspects of the old politics I've seen growing in Hillary's campaign. And I've come to the point, after seeing those ads, where I can't in good conscience not say out loud what I believe about who should be president. Those ads are nothing but Republicanism. They're lending legitimacy to a Republican message that's wrong to begin with, and they harken back to the past twenty years of demagoguery on guns and religion. It's old politics at its worst — and old Republican politics, not even old Democratic politics. It's just so deeply cynical."
Heilemann: Robert Reich to Endorse Obama -- Daily Intel -- New York News Blog -- New York Magazine
 
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:53 AM   #322
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Here's Robert Reich's statement from his blog:

Friday, April 18, 2008
Obama for President

The formal act of endorsing a candidate is generally (and properly)limited to editorial pages and elected officials whose constituents might be influenced by their choice. The rest of us shouldn't assume anyone cares. My avoidance of offering a formal endorsement until now has also been affected by the pull of old friendships and my reluctance as a teacher and commentator to be openly partisan. But my conscience won't let me be silent any longer.

I believe that Barack Obama should be elected President of the United States.

Although Hillary Clinton has offered solid and sensible policy proposals, Obama's strike me as even more so. His plans for reforming Social Security and health care have a better chance of succeeding. His approaches to the housing crisis and the failures of our financial markets are sounder than hers. His ideas for improving our public schools and confronting the problems of poverty and inequality are more coherent and compelling. He has put forward the more enlightened foreign policy and the more thoughtful plan for controlling global warming.

He also presents the best chance of creating a new politics in which citizens become active participants rather than cynical spectators. He has energized many who had given up on politics. He has engaged young people to an extent not seen in decades. He has spoken about the most difficult problems our society faces, such as race, without spinning or simplifying. He has rightly identified the armies of lawyers and lobbyists that have commandeered our democracy, and pointed the way toward taking it back.

Finally, he offers the best hope of transcending the boundaries of class, race, and nationality that have divided us. His life history exemplifies this, as do his writings and his record of public service. For these same reasons, he offers the best possibility of restoring America's moral authority in the world.
A pretty big loss for the Clinton campaign, but she has no one to blame but herself.. and her husband.
 
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Old 04-20-2008, 04:44 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by David Octavius View Post
To me that is more of an issue than some of the crap going on about Obama's comments. His comments were stupid and should of been phrased better but he obviously cares about people, her ACTIONS on issues have shown misjudgment (the war) and flat out lies (support of NAFTA), that is far more important than a Obama misstatement
We can only judge Obama on his words, because his does not have any actions to judge him on. Hillary has been in the spotlight for the last 25+ years so I would judge her on her actions over her words.
 
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Old 04-22-2008, 05:29 PM   #324
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More lies from Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was questioned about his Jesse Jackson comments in South Carolina by WHYY Radio. He went off in a rant about how he was taken out of context and Obama actually race baited him. At the end of the phone call, Bill apparently thinks he's off the phone or off the air and you can hear him ask someone "I don't think I should take any shit from anybody about that, do you?"

As you can clearly hear in the video Bill Clinton says yesterday on the radio that Obama played the race card against him. He also says he mentioned in the interview whites and other stuff as well, which also wasn't true from most sources I've read I can't confirm that right now.

Today when asked about it this is how the conversation went:
NBC/NJ: “Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?

CLINTON: “When did I say that, and to whom did I say that?

NBC/NJ: “On WHYY radio yesterday”

CLINTON: “No, no, no. That’s not what I said. You always follow me around and play these little games, and I’m not going to play your games today. This is a day about election day. Go back and see what the question was, and what my answer was. You have mischaracterized it to get another cheap story to divert the American people from the real urgent issues before us, and I choose not to play your game today. Have a nice day.”

NBC/NJ: “Respectfully sir, though, you did say …”

CLINTON: “Have a nice day.” [continues shaking hands with supporters]. I said what I said, you can go and look at the interview. And if you’ll be real honest, you’ll also report what the question was and what the answer was.”

NBC/NJ: “They asked you if you regretted your comparing Jesse Jackson to Barack Obama on the day after the South Carolina primary.”

CLINTON: “And I pointed out that I did not do that, and that I complimented them both. And that Jesse Jackson took no offense. And I called him myself, I said, ‘Did you find that offensive?’ And he said no.
Here is a transcript of what he said on the radio:
INTERVIEWER (RE: Jackson comment): “Do you think that was a mistake, and would you do that again?"

CLINTON: "No. I think that they played the race card on me. And we now know, from memos from the campaign and everything, that they planned to do it along.
Bill: 'I'm not going to play your games' - First Read - msnbc.com
The link has a video of him telling his most recent lie. He comes off sarcastic and extremely arrogant.

I haven't been able to confirm these memos he's referring to. I guess this all depends on which definition of race he was using.

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Old 04-23-2008, 03:22 PM   #325
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Despite Obama's "bitter" snafu, Hillary wins the most snobbiest candidate.

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Old 04-23-2008, 04:13 PM   #326
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you did not say "most snobbiest"
 
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:16 PM   #327
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
you did not say "most snobbiest"
I did
 
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:19 PM   #328
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NY Times unendorses Hillary
The Low Road to Victory - New York Times
The Low Road to Victory

The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it.

Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.

If nothing else, self interest should push her in that direction. Mrs. Clinton did not get the big win in Pennsylvania that she needed to challenge the calculus of the Democratic race. It is true that Senator Barack Obama outspent her 2-to-1. But Mrs. Clinton and her advisers should mainly blame themselves, because, as the political operatives say, they went heavily negative and ended up squandering a good part of what was once a 20-point lead.
 
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:52 AM   #329
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Is it really an official unendorsement (if that's even a word)?
 
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