wow, who would have guessed....another clinton lie

[7960]

Hillary Clinton has decided to rewrite the rules of the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

Like other candidates, she pledged not to campaign in Florida after the state jumped ahead on the schedule of caucuses and primaries set by the Democratic National Committee. She had to make that pledge if she hoped to compete in the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses and the first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary, as Iowa and New Hampshire zealously guard their starting status on the political calendar.

But Iowa and New Hampshire are history and, after a landslide loss in South Carolina on Saturday, Clinton needs a win.

So she has begun appearing in Florida in anticipation of Tuesday's Democratic primary there.

What Pledge? Clinton Appears in Florida

Of course, she says she is "abiding by the no-campaigning pledge because Sunday's two Florida events were technically closed to the public."

What a douche.

[WickedLou9]

She's getting desperate.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

She's getting desperate.

She, well, "The Clintons" will do anything to win. It's all that matters.

[Donkey®]

Oh well...don't vote for her then. The "pledge" was ignorant to begin with. I don't get the DNC choosing to ignore voters of particular states. To me she's just standing up for the Democratic process.

And before a bunch of you just jump all over me for defending my candidate...she's not my candidate. I haven't made up my mind yet so let's not run the thread off in THAT direction.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

She, well, "The Clintons" will do anything to win. It's all that matters.

If you're not in it to win it why bother running at all?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

She, well, "The Clintons" will do anything to win. It's all that matters.

And you think that kind of attitude is only present in the Clintons?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

And you think that kind of attitude is only present in the Clintons?

Has Obama defrauded the DNC? Hillary lied and cheated to the DNC to campaign in more states than she would be entitled to, thus once again... harming the Democratic party and their party rules. Why set rules if the candidates will lie and do whatever they want?

And once again, it's just another example of the Clintons polarizing the Democratic Party for their own self-serving interests.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Has Obama defrauded the DNC? Hillary lied and cheated to the DNC to campaign in more states than she would be entitled to, thus once again... harming the Democratic party and their party rules.

Those "party rules" are not good for "the people"...which I thought is what counted?

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Oh well...don't vote for her then. The "pledge" was ignorant to begin with. I don't get the DNC choosing to ignore voters of particular states. To me she's just standing up for the Democratic process.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Those "party rules" are not good for "the people"...which I thought is what counted?

"It was a stupid promise so it's ok not to keep it."

That shows lots of character

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Those "party rules" are not good for "the people"...which I thought is what counted?

How are party rules not good for the people? If you belong to a party what's best for the people is for the candidates to follow the same rules and make the campaigning fair. The system may suck, but one person ignoring the rules giving themselves an unfair advantage does not help the American people. It is cheating the party and its constituents.

Do the rules suck? Yes. But they need to be followed by everyone in order to keep the campaigning and voting fair. Otherwise it's simply cheating. Politicians cheating to get votes is not good for "the people." If she doesn't like the rules she should find a new party, run independent or work on changing the rules. Cheating is not the answer.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Has Obama defrauded the DNC? Hillary lied and cheated to the DNC to campaign in more states than she would be entitled to, thus once again... harming the Democratic party and their party rules. Why set rules if the candidates will lie and do whatever they want?

And once again, it's just another example of the Clintons polarizing the Democratic Party for their own self-serving interests.

Defrauded? Really? That's over the top.

Personally I think all candidates should be appearing in Florida (and should have in Michigan as well) because those states are far more diverse and important in the electoral process for the general election than Iowa or NH.. It's time both parties start using states that are more important to them in the general as the early caucus / primary states instead of allowing Iowa and NH's arrogance to continue.

I think this is definitely a case of her using a technicality to get around a rule to benefit her campaign, it appears she'll win Florida, and won Michigan, so if those delegates are seated.. she can get the boost she needs

But, I don't really care about it all that much because of my position on the delegates issue to begin with

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Defrauded? Really? That's over the top.

Not at all.


Main Entry:
fraud Listen to the pronunciation of fraud
Pronunciation:
\ˈfrȯd\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English fraude, from Anglo-French, from Latin fraud-, fraus
Date:
14th century

1 a: deceit trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

It's the exact definition. They had a choice to make. They made their choices up front and followed them thus gaining something and giving something up. Hillary lied and is having it both ways. That's defrauding the party and cheating.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 7960

"It was a stupid promise so it's ok not to keep it."

That shows lots of character

They ALL absolutely should have not made that stupid fucking pledge to begin with.

It's like a paramedic saying "I pledge not to go into that burning building and saving people" then they go against that pledge and rescue someone that would have otherwise died. Sure, the paramedic broke his pledge but the pledge was stupid to begin with. His/her job is to rescue and heal people. A politician's job is to serve THE PEOPLE. Making a pledge that goes against what you're supposed to be doing is completely stupid. So yes, I give her a pass on this one and I give any other Democrat a pass if they choose to break this stupid pledge.

[Thorgrim]

Obama has been airing cable ads that he knew would be directed into Florida, a direct violation Hillary has not done

That's cheating...and it's documented

Clinton cries foul on Obama cable ads - Mike Allen - Politico.com

What we have here is that Hillary may have been at two parties in Florida...which is not new considering all the Democratic candidates, with the pledge signed, went to Florida for small groups to raise money

It's a small event, until I hear something from Howard Dean that Clinton cheated, this is just a bunch of undocumented splatter...Obama is the only one here who looks like the cheater in Florida

[motivez]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Not at all.

Yes, completely. Defrauded is rhetoric, making her sound like a criminal.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

How are party rules not good for the people?

They put a political party ABOVE the people. Sorry, putting a party's needs and wants above the people's needs or wants is stupid.

Originally Posted by JaJae

If you belong to a party what's best for the people is for the candidates to follow the same rules and make the campaigning fair.

What's more unfair is what's happening to the people of Florida and Michigan.

Originally Posted by JaJae

The system may suck, but one person ignoring the rules giving themselves an unfair advantage does not help the American people. It is cheating the party and its constituents.

I don't care if it's cheating the party...and it's FAR from an "unfair advantage." They ALL can hop on a plane if they choose to.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Do the rules suck? Yes. But they need to be followed by everyone in order to keep the campaigning and voting fair. Otherwise it's simply cheating. Politicians cheating to get votes is not good for "the people." If she doesn't like the rules she should find a new party, run independent or work on changing the rules. Cheating is not the answer.

Cheating the people is not the answer either. She did the right thing...whether or not her reasoning is justified doesn't matter. No candidate should EVER put their party above the voters...just like voters shouldn't put a party above what's good for the country.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

They ALL absolutely should have not made that stupid fucking pledge to begin with.

It's like a paramedic saying "I pledge not to go into that burning building and saving people" then they go against that pledge and rescue someone that would have otherwise died. Sure, the paramedic broke his pledge but the pledge was stupid to begin with. His/her job is to rescue and heal people. A politician's job is to serve THE PEOPLE. Making a pledge that goes against what you're supposed to be doing is completely stupid. So yes, I give her a pass on this one and I give any other Democrat a pass if they choose to break this stupid pledge.

The pledge wasn't to cut those states off and let them sink into the ocean, it was to not campaign there because THE STATES didn't follow the rules.

I think you're letting your blind hate for anything not hillary and/or clinton sway your judgment. Blind hate.......gee, who likes to throw that one around when somene says something against a clinton?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 7960

The pledge wasn't to cut those states off and let them sink into the ocean, it was to not campaign there because THE STATES didn't follow the rules.

I think you're letting your blind hate for anything not hillary and/or clinton sway your judgment. Blind hate.......gee, who likes to throw that one around when somene says something against a clinton?

Blind hate is what started this thread. You've seen the evidence Obama broke the rules. Where was the thread on him? Oh, that's right, he's not named Clinton or Gore.

[DosEquis]

Personally I think its dumb to make any promise like that, and I think they should campaign there regardless because the people there need to know who they are voting for and what they are getting when they vote that way.