The Ron Paul rEVOLution, Super Tuesday and “The Message!”

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by motivez

Don't you guys already have a bet going on?

Yeah. If he wins any primary I have to change my avatar. I have a feeling I won't need to be doing that.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by lew

Simply not true.

Attack of the Ronulans | Politicker ME


It is possible that Paul could win Maine this Saturday and perhaps a few states on Super Tuesday.

If he didn't win NH, he isn't going to win anywhere. NH was his best shot. Maine is not a red state, it will go to McCain or Romney for the GOP. Probably McCain.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

He's had 9+ months already I thought. I have seen his message everywhere...still didn't translate to votes.

It's interesting that the people that are in my "circle of trust," to use a Meet The Fockers analogy, are all for Ron Paul. They didn't start out this way. Their first comments were, "Ron Paul? Who's he?"

They have come a long way in their own independant analysis of Ron Paul's message and keep challenging me on certain issues that come up. Ron Paul doesn't have all the answers, but he sure beats the answer given by all the other candidats, AND, he's got a 30 year track record of doing so.

His "message" is still growing...

Fed Up

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Yeah. If he wins any primary I have to change my avatar. I have a feeling I won't need to be doing that.

Personally, I like his chances in Washington. In California he has raised the most money and their delegates are split, not give all to one candidate like Florida.

Ron Paul is advertising in other states that his competitors, mainly Huckabee and McCain, can't afford to. This should help him in those states as well.

Fed Up

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by lew

Simply not true.

Attack of the Ronulans | Politicker ME


It is possible that Paul could win Maine this Saturday and perhaps a few states on Super Tuesday.

How many times has it been stated "it is possible that Paul could win xxxxxxxxx this week"?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

It's interesting that the people that are in my "circle of trust," to use a Meet The Fockers analogy, are all for Ron Paul. They didn't start out this way. Their first comments were, "Ron Paul? Who's he?"

They have come a long way in their own independant analysis of Ron Paul's message and keep challenging me on certain issues that come up. Ron Paul doesn't have all the answers, but he sure beats the answer given by all the other candidats, AND, he's got a 30 year track record of doing so.

His "message" is still growing...

Fed Up

How does this answer my question? I can see it now...Come November we'll be seeing "well if Paul just had 9 more months to campaign, his message would get out." If he is not competent enough to get his message out, he is not competent enough to be President. All I see is "OMG TEH PRESS!!!!" If people want to be in the press, there are many ways to do it. All that said, he has been in the press. His message is out there. Not enough people care...that's why he doesn't get votes.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

Personally, I like his chances in Washington. In California he has raised the most money and their delegates are split, not give all to one candidate like Florida.

Ron Paul is advertising in other states that his competitors, mainly Huckabee and McCain, can't afford to. This should help him in those states as well.

Fed Up

How many other states did you like his chances in?

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

How many other states did you like his chances in?

As you know, it's about delegates. Part of Paul's campaign from the beginning has been in getting people to step up into the Republican party and become part of the movement.

This was shown to be the case in Nevada and Louisiana where Paul has done quite well.

As far as how he is doing in other states, you can go here and read for yourself:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=270
Fed Up

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

As you know, it's about delegates. Part of Paul's campaign from the beginning has been in getting people to step up into the Republican party and become part of the movement.

This was shown to be the case in Nevada and Louisiana where Paul has done quite well.

As far as how he is doing in other states, you can go here and read for yourself:
Winning Super Tuesday - Ron Paul Forums
Fed Up

Great...that wasn't the question. I posed to you the question "how many other states did YOU like his chances in?" I hear you claiming he's been successful...but the reality is, he isn't even close. I don't know about you, but I have constantly heard from supporters on this board and elsewhere "I like his chances in New Hampshire" and similar statements...only to end up in failure when all is said and done. So far, the predictions by Paulites are completely off.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

How does this answer my question? I can see it now...Come November we'll be seeing "well if Paul just had 9 more months to campaign, his message would get out." If he is not competent enough to get his message out, he is not competent enough to be President. All I see is "OMG TEH PRESS!!!!" If people want to be in the press, there are many ways to do it. All that said, he has been in the press. His message is out there. Not enough people care...that's why he doesn't get votes.

I'm writing a book called "Fed Up!" that addresses this among other issues.

People I talk to about the "issues" one on one, are swayed by what I have to say. I don't know where you come off with your "not competent enough to be President" remarks. Are you saying Paul is incompetent? Are you denying that the press is against Paul and his message? Are you saying he has been given the same amout of free time as all the other candidates from the begining?

I've monitored the press for the last 10 months since the 1st debate. Hannity, O'Reilly, Dobbs, Olberman, Beck, Blitzer, Boortz, Medved, Malkin, Matthews, Russert, Stephanopoulos, Limbaugh, etc. etc. Ron Paul most certainly does not garner the same attention, but rather only the negative attention attributed to his supporters, not his stance on the issues. One cannot attack his stance on the issues, at least compared to the remaining candidates stance.

LewRockwell.com Blog: The Media Blackout Against Ron Paul

Besides, what are you worried about? Hillary's going to win it all right?

Fed Up

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Great...that wasn't the question. I posed to you the question "how many other states did YOU like his chances in?" I hear you claiming he's been successful...but the reality is, he isn't even close. I don't know about you, but I have constantly heard from supporters on this board and elsewhere "I like his chances in New Hampshire" and similar statements...only to end up in failure when all is said and done. So far, the predictions by Paulites are completely off.

I answered that question when you originally posted it Donkey:

Originally Posted by Fed Up
Personally, I like his chances in Washington. In California he has raised the most money and their delegates are split, not give all to one candidate like Florida.

Ron Paul is advertising in other states that his competitors, mainly Huckabee and McCain, can't afford to. This should help him in those states as well.

Fed Up

You then asked,

"How many other states did you like his chances in?"

To which I gave you a url to do your own homework. Besides, I have repeatedly said in my posts that it's "moot" until Super Tuesday.

Can you name me one prediction I have made that has been "far off?" No. Because I dont' make predictions.

Ok, I'll go out on a limb here just once and make a prediction.....

New England will win the Superbowl....

Fed Up

[angelamia]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

Ok, I'll go out on a limb here just once and make a prediction.....

New England will win the Superbowl....

that's not a prediction thats fact. (i'm from boston.) I even decided to make a little prediction on it, haha.

[RockPusher]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Paul should really drop out. I think it should be obvious at this point that he can't win the nomination. He is wasting his time and everyone elses time who supports him and has given him money and continues to give him money.

As a donating supporter, I would be pissed if he drops out before the game plays out. Thanks for your wizened sage advise though... ~SARCASM~

Now run along and go vote for who you think will win. It is like a wager you know?

If you vote for an imperfect candidate because you think they will get the majority, do you know you get if you win?



Ron Paul targeting delegates and looking forward to a brokered convention
Ron Paul targeting delegates and looking forward to a brokered convention
Larry Fester Published 01/28/2008 - 9:35 p.m. EST

Republican [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]presidential [COLOR=green ! important]candidate[/color][/color][/color] Ron Paul says he’s targeting delegates and looking forward to a brokered convention. Paul also told supporters in an online message that his campaign is planning on targeting delegates of candidates that have dropped out and will soon be dropping out of the race.

Paul said referring to the media coverage on the Nevada Caucus, “what they didn't tell you was that we may have gotten up to a third of Nevada's delegates to their county conventions!”




Paul also may have captured many of Louisiana’s delegates but the actual number is unclear.

“While the media will focus on the results from Florida, and probably take down the campaign of my friend Rudy in the process, those results are less important to you and me. Let them fight in Florida while we bring our message to Americans in other areas, like the economically hard-hit state of Maine” Paul said.

Paul has been campaigning in the state of Maine where he is said to have solid support.

“We're competing very strongly in all the caucus states, and in all other states where delegates are up for grabs. And we're going to keep picking up delegates. Our strategy is already working” Paul said.

If the GOP has a brokered convention, Paul said, “Instead of a coronation of one of the establishment candidates, the delegates, influenced by the people, will decide. And I am afraid that this will take place in a time of heightened economic crisis. That means even more Americans will be ready to hear our message.”

Paul has started running radio and [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]TV [COLOR=green ! important]ads[/color][/color][/color] in several Super Tuesday states targeting economic issues.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by lew

Simply not true.

Attack of the Ronulans | Politicker ME


It is possible that Paul could win Maine this Saturday and perhaps a few states on Super Tuesday.

The whole Ronulan thing makes me think that anti paul people are huge fucking dorks. Whenever someone says that I envision comic book guy typing furiously on a computer somewhere in their mom's basement.

"This will piss off the ronulans!"

[Fed Up]

Worth a look....

YouTube - Ron Paul Goes to the Zoo (ver.2.0)

Fed Up

[lew]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

How many times has it been stated "it is possible that Paul could win xxxxxxxxx this week"?

That's not a pro-ron paul article I linked.


But you're right. I've read other non-biased sources that Paul could have won xxx state. Why didn't he? I have no idea.

[avsp]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I strongly disagree. As long as his fundraising holds up he's a viable candidate. The more candidates who drop out the more attention Paul is going to get by default. Now that Rudy and Thompson are gone it's down to the wire. Huck is basically done for. It could come down to Romney, McCain and Paul which would definitely help his chances in the Republican primaries considering McCain and Romney aren't all that conservative.

Yes.

Surely the whole point of running as a GOP-er is surely based on the hope that no clear 'standard' candidate emerges?

Should this occur then RP can stand up & use his Thatcher-like 'fresh breath of honesty' appeal to stage a late spurt for the line, he'll even be able to take advantage of the desire for 'change'.

In an odd way this might've stood an even better chance with even fewer dropouts as the waters would've been still muddier

Either way as fed up points out its as much as about the message & levering that into a manifesto is still a valid aim

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by lew

Simply not true.

Attack of the Ronulans | Politicker ME


It is possible that Paul could win Maine this Saturday and perhaps a few states on Super Tuesday.

Didn't happen...

Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, had 59 percent of the vote with 3 percent of the towns holding caucuses reporting. Ron Paul trailed with 19 percent, John McCain had 18 percent, and Mike Huckabee and undecided votes each had about 2 percent.

Maine Republicans pack caucuses