I'm thinking McCain could beat Hillary or Obama - Page 3

motivez · 01-31-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

except that he has no experience.

So he just kind of grew up sitting around not doing anything his entire life until he magically was elected to the US Senate?

Linzyhop · 01-31-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

So he just kind of grew up sitting around not doing anything his entire life until he magically was elected to the US Senate?

he's been a senator, for what, like 2 years? i'm sorry, that's not enough experience for me to vote for him.

bheld · 01-31-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

he's been a senator, for what, like 2 years? i'm sorry, that's not enough experience for me to vote for him.

You can't even define what it is you're looking for.

Linzyhop · 01-31-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by bheld

You can't even define what it is you're looking for.

i've defined plenty for me. i like mccain. he's my president. i can trust him. i don't think hillary or obama have enough experience.

obama i might be able to trust, but not enough exp. hillary might have exp through her husband and whatnot and has that on obama, but i dont feel i could trust her.

motivez · 01-31-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

he's been a senator, for what, like 2 years? i'm sorry, that's not enough experience for me to vote for him.

Because the only thing he's done in his life is be a Senator for what, like 2 years?

There's plenty of information out there about what he did before being a US Senator (like, you know, being in the Illinois State Senate, and other things), maybe read up on that before criticizing him for lacking something so you can point to specifics?

WickedLou9 · 01-31-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

he's been a senator, for what, like 2 years? i'm sorry, that's not enough experience for me to vote for him.

That's not quite fair. He has more experience than that.

After high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[24] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[25] Obama received his B.A. degree in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and NYPIRG before moving to Chicago to take a job as a community organizer.[26] As Director of the Developing Communities Project, he worked with low-income residents in Chicago's Roseland community and the Altgeld Gardens public housing development.[27] He entered Harvard Law School in 1988.[28] In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history".[29] He completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude in 1991.[30] On returning to Chicago, Obama directed a voter registration drive.[30] As an associate attorney with Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 1996, he represented community organizers, discrimination claims, and voting rights cases.[31] He was a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.[32]

In 1996, Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate to serve the state's 13th District in the south-side Chicago neighborhood of Hyde Park.[33] In 2000, he made an unsuccessful Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives seat held by four-term incumbent candidate Bobby Rush.[34] He was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998 and 2002, officially resigning in November 2004 following his election to the U.S. Senate.[35] As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.[36] He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for child care.[37] Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.[37] During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, he won the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police, whose president credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms.[38] He was criticized by rival pro-choice candidates in the Democratic primary and by his Republican pro-life opponent in the general election for a series of "present" or "no" votes on late-term abortion and parental notification issues.[39]

God I hate all the links that Wiki puts in thier articles

Linzyhop · 01-31-2008, 03:18 PM

when i hear him speak, he talks all rainbows sunshine and lollipops. nothing what he says has substance, to me.

but i already know who i'm voting for, so it's doesn't make a difference anyway.

motivez · 01-31-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

when i hear him speak, he talks all rainbows sunshine and lollipops. nothing what he says has substance, to me.

but i already know who i'm voting for, so it's doesn't make a difference anyway.

Yeah, that's my problem with him too right now, even though I do like his message.. but he'd still be better than McCain, and I think he'll start to become more policy driven moving forward

bheld · 01-31-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i've defined plenty for me. i like mccain. he's my president. i can trust him. i don't think hillary or obama have enough experience.

obama i might be able to trust, but not enough exp. hillary might have exp through her husband and whatnot and has that on obama, but i dont feel i could trust her.

You can't criticize somebody for not having experience and then fail to explain what it is you even mean.

Linzyhop · 01-31-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by bheld

You can't criticize somebody for not having experience and then fail to explain what it is you even mean.

i explained it. if it's not an acceptable explanation for you, that's not my problem.

bheld · 01-31-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i explained it. if it's not an acceptable explanation for you, that's not my problem.

Well it is sort of your problem if you can't communicate properly what it is you're trying to say. You can't expect to get away with generic criticisms without being called out on it if only because letting it go unchecked leads to more widespread misconceptions.

motivez · 01-31-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i explained it. if it's not an acceptable explanation for you, that's not my problem.

You haven't explained your criticism of Obama not having enough experience, once it was shown that he's been in office for longer than 2 years as a US Senator, that criticism was backed off of and then it switched to being able to trust McCain, and not being substantive on the issues, both of which are completely different criticisms.

David Octavius · 01-31-2008, 04:06 PM

Experience is overrated...Lincoln barely had any and he is on Mt Rushmore..Regan was an actor and now the Republican kiss his ass..LBJ had a ton and what did it get him? Not saying Obama will be like Lincoln or Regan but that experience in government does not mean as much as person who can lead

Linzyhop · 01-31-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

You haven't explained your criticism of Obama not having enough experience, once it was shown that he's been in office for longer than 2 years as a US Senator, that criticism was backed off of and then it switched to being able to trust McCain, and not being substantive on the issues, both of which are completely different criticisms.

backed off? 2 years as a senator does not qualify him to lead this country, especially now in my eyes, period.

motivez · 01-31-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

backed off? 2 years as a senator does not qualify him to lead this country, especially now in my eyes, period.

He's had more experience as an elected official than 2 years, as has already been pointed out.

Linzyhop · 01-31-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

He's had more experience as an elected official than 2 years, as has already been pointed out.

John McCain has had WAY more experience. That's what it comes down to for me. Experience & Trust.

i already know you don't agree with me, and that's fine, i really don't care.

Linzyhop · 01-31-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

backed off? 2 years as a senator does not qualify him to lead this country, especially now in my eyes, period.

I'm thinking McCain... 01-31-2008 04:29 PM Thorgrim bad fellowship, uncivil

Thorgrim actually gave me a bad rep for my comment here???????

uncivil? for defending myself? how about go fuck yourself. how's that for uncivil. if you want me to be uncivil, i can be. before you give a bad rep, make sure i deserve it and you actually look up the meaning of the word in the DICKtionary.

now go and give me an uncivil bad rep.

douchebag.