I thought I might start a nice fun thread full of North vs. South anger

[Grouch]

I'm just going to make some of my own discussion topics, feel free to and your own or reply to mine.

1) IT'S NOT THE WAR OF NORTHER AGGRESSION!

This is true for a few reasons, some more obvious than others

A. The most obvious, the South fired on Fort Sumter first. A Federal (northern) location that was not part of the South Carolinas state terrertory.

B. The argument sometimes comes up that there is nothing in the constitution that prohibits secession. Sure this is true, but the South knew what it was doing was not kosher or parallel with a fair democracy, clearly shown by providing no way to secede in the CSA constitution.

C. America from its earliest colonial period is all about revolution. These shows to be a completely false comparison when you begin to look at the origins of the Revolutionary War. The colonies lacked representation; the Southern states had fair representation.



2) The war was very much about slavery.

The "it was states rights" claim is pretty bogus. It’s nothing more than a manner to get around stating that you support a side that wanted to work a whole race of people to death and didn't want to be put in the poor house if their property were giving equal rights with other men.

No matter what cause you want to claim started the war, States Rights, Economic Issues, they all boil down to Slavery. To deny Slavery is flat out intellectual dishonesty, that is not to say these other issues were not important (or in reality develop importance later through Southern rhetoric)

The importance that the institution of slavery played in the cause of the Civil War is indisputable when you look at what the leaders said.

Message of Jefferson Davis

From Message of Jefferson Davis to the Provisional Congress of the Confederate States of America

“a persistent and organized system of hostile measures against the rights of the owners of slaves in the Southern States...annihilating in effect property worth thousands of dollars.”

Charles Joyner writes in Callaloo cal.1 (2001) 196-198

Moreover, in 1861, as President and Vice President of the Confederate States of America, Jefferson Davis and Alexander H. Stephens each candidly acknowledged that their new nation was created for the specific purpose of perpetuating slavery. In an address to the Confederate Congress in April of 1861 Davis declared that “a persistent and organized system of hostile measures against the rights of the owners of slaves in the Southern States” had culminated in a political party dedicated to “annihilating in effect property worth thousands of dollars.” Since “the labor of [End Page 196] African slaves was and is indispensable” to the South’s production of cotton, rice, sugar, and tobacco, Davis said, “the people of the Southern States were driven by the conduct of the North to the adoption of some course of action to avert the danger with which they were openly menaced.”

In a speech in Savannah, Stephens made it even clearer that the establishment of the Confederacy had “put to rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions–African slavery as it exists among us–the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.” He added that the Confederacy was “founded upon” what he called “the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.”

The Cause’ of the American Civil War , By: Spicer, John, History Review, 09629610, Sep2004, Issue 49

The causes of the American Civil War can perhaps be linked to one particular issue - that of slavery, in December 1860 Lincoln had written to the future vice-president of the Confederate states, Alexander Stephens, and reiterated his pubic pledge not to interfere with slavery where it already existed, but he also added: ‘I suppose, however, this does not meet the case. You think slavery is right and ought to be extended, while we think it is wrong and ought to be restricted. That I suppose is the rub. It certainly is the only substantial difference between us.’ Later Stephens himself seemed to confirm the significance of the issue by saying that ‘African slavery … was the immediate cause of the late rupture’, and stating that the Confederate government was based upon ‘the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery … is his natural and normal condition.’ South Carolina’s declaration of their reasons for secession cited ‘an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery.’

What do we have here? Davis, Stephens and Lincoln all recognizing that slavery was root cause of the civil war.

[Stylerod]

Oh yeah. Well we have better weather, nicer people and a lower cost of living. So fuck off and stay where you are!!!

[7960]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Oh yeah. Well we have better weather, nicer people and a lower cost of living. So fuck off and stay where you are!!!

And hotter women, don't forget the important stuff.

I was recently in Dallas.......holyshit women even get dressed up to go to the corner store!

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Oh yeah. Well we have better weather, nicer people and a lower cost of living. So fuck off and stay where you are!!!

translation, lower cost of living = no one wants to live there + stupider people




and i like my weather just fine, all four seasons = awesomeness

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

translation, lower cost of living = no one wants to live there + stupider people




and i like my weather just fine, all four seasons = awesomeness

That's EXACTLY what I want to hear. And please, spread the word. Make sure all your friends stay up North as well

[RMNIXON]

Play Nice!

[Grouch]

lulz

[Rouger2]

This Yankee likes it down here fine. Though If not for air conditioning I might not. Yeah and they never have really forgotten about that dam war, but they don't beat you over the head about it, and today it was sun shining and nearly seventies degrees it was down right beautiful. Days like today down here you cannot beat and it is in the middle of winter.

[JaJae]

Southerners haven't figured out how to make a good pizza or a good bagel after all this time. I dunno about them...

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Southerners haven't figured out how to make a good pizza or a good bagel after all this time. I dunno about them...

[7960]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Southerners haven't figured out how to make a good pizza or a good bagel after all this time. I dunno about them...

that takes italians and jews, both of which are in short supply in the south.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Southerners haven't figured out how to make a good pizza or a good bagel after all this time. I dunno about them...

there's actually a couple of really good pizza joints here in Dallas, they ALMOST rival the pizza I've had in New York City.